Gen dial question

[Soxxgo2]

What's going on with the indices on this dial? The owner claims it was refinished but they just look weird. Has anyone ever seen a refinished dial like this?

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[Hugop]

It looks like the lume plots have been screened on. Are you sure that that this is gen? I had one like this but was from HR. Do any of you Tudor pros know if the service dials were not hand done lume? These seem way too perfect.

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[Soxxgo2]

It looks like the lume plots have been screened on. Are you sure that that this is gen? I had one like this but was from HR. Do any of you Tudor pros know if the service dials were not hand done lume? These seem way too perfect.

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Otherwise, it looks gen for sure. He also has paperwork and box that looks pretty damn good. Also an original picture on a old style projector slide he took in 1980. It all seems pretty legit. The dial was the only thing that was off to me.

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[Hugop]

Here is a gen 77 9401. See how clean the edges of the indices are? If that dial is a refinished gen I feel it causes a reduction in the value of the watch. BTW the hands do look properly porpotioned for a gen.

 

[Caesar]

What's going on with the indices on this dial? The owner claims it was refinished but they just look weird. Has anyone ever seen a refinished dial like this?

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Do you have a picture of this dial in better lighting??

 

[Soxxgo2]

Here is a gen 77 9401. See how clean the edges of the indices are? If that dial is a refinished gen I feel it causes a reduction in the value of the watch. BTW the hands do look properly porpotioned for a gen.

Yeah, I have never seen one with stuck on lume like the one I posted. I definitely wouldn't pay full price but I'm wondering how much it would effect value.

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[Hugop]

Would definately want a look at that movement and case back.

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[Soxxgo2]

Do you have a picture of this dial in better lighting??

This is a better pic!

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[Hugop]

The insert has no serifs either.
Just sayin...

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[Soxxgo2]

Would definately want a look at that movement and case back.

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Couple more pics here. I guess the documents don't mean much because someone could get those and sell them with a fake or heavily altered watch. Thanks guys

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[Soxxgo2]

He's going to send a movement pic. That should be enlightening. He said the lume was redone somewhere other than Tudor.

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[Hugop]

Is it just me or does that pearl look like a JKF pearl? Also in that last pic of the dial and hands the minute hand looks too long. The point of the hand should hit on the back edge of the plot and the outside corners ahould be aligned with the inside edge of minute track. That pic looks like the outside corners of the minute hand reaches to the back edge of the lume plots.

 

[Soxxgo2]

Is it just me or does that pearl look like a JKF pearl? Also in that last pic of the dial and hands the minute hand looks too long. The point of the hand should hit on the back edge of the plot and the outside corners ahould be aligned with the inside edge of minute track. That pic looks like the outside corners of the minute hand reaches to the back edge of the lume plots.

The pearl concerned me too. I'm no expert on hands at all.

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[Hugop]

He's going to send a movement pic. That should be enlightening. He said the lume was redone somewhere other than Tudor.

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[emoji13] certainly a true statement there! Haha

 

[Hugop]

What do you think @PaulyWalnuts ? Anything else look suspect to you? Would really liken a clean movement shot to look at.

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[Soxxgo2]

He said the insert was replaced too. He has the original. Said he didn't like it faded lol.

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[PaulyWalnuts]

Is it just me or does that pearl look like a JKF pearl? Also in that last pic of the dial and hands the minute hand looks too long. The point of the hand should hit on the back edge of the plot and the outside corners ahould be aligned with the inside edge of minute track. That pic looks like the outside corners of the minute hand reaches to the back edge of the lume plots.

You're spot on my friend, those aren't the original hands, the pearl also doesn't fill up the triangle and spill over the edge as originals do. The dial could just be a really shitty re-lume, it's all too common. Is it supposed to be from 1980? I'm not sure that box is period correct or model correct either. Get serial # pics too! It could be Gen with some crappy service history but usually if it's too good to be true then it is. Also be wary of payment options if the guys not local. Just trying to look out for a fellow enthusiast! Post more pics as you get them, we love snowflakes around here [emoji2]


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[PaulyWalnuts]

He said the insert was replaced too. He has the original. Said he didn't like it faded lol.

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an original faded insert could be worth half as much as the watch in some cases [emoji14]
Priceless on a nice Submariner though so don't sell it of course.


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[Soxxgo2]

You're spot on my friend, those aren't the original hands, the pearl also doesn't fill up the triangle and spill over the edge as originals do. The dial could just be a really shitty re-lume, it's all too common. Is it supposed to be from 1980? I'm not sure that box is period correct or model correct either. Get serial # pics too! It could be Gen with some crappy service history but usually if it's too good to be true then it is. Also be wary of payment options if the guys not local. Just trying to look out for a fellow enthusiast! Post more pics as you get them, we love snowflakes around here [emoji2]


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Appreciate all the help! This is why I love this pace. You guys are incredible. Yes, right around 1980 for this guy. It was last serviced in '07 apparently. I'll have movement pics tomorrow. Did ALL of the 94010's come with folded link bracelet in the late 70's and early 80's? This one doesn't have folded which he insisted was original. I'll get a pic

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[Soxxgo2]

Bracelet pic

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