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First pam (372) amateur questions

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aeom

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Hello! Im looking to buy the Panerai 372 as my first replica ever and first pam ever. I choose the 372 because of the simple and clean design and the size of it suits me. (don't like small watches) And I'm new here, looking forward to learning more and maybe start a collection with time.

The questions that are on my mind are the following.

1. There is a super clone 372 for 388usd and a cheaper one for 278, the noticeable differences I can see is that the movement is a bit more detailed on the super clone.
Are there any more changes i.e the bezel, design, the shine or what not?

2. I really like the design and the shine/polish of the gen 372 like shown in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql4Jn7bnjP4 are the rep ones the same shine/polish?

3. Whats the life length of the watch, will it last for a couple of years?

4. I don't like the brown strap that comes with the 372 i would like an asso light brown strap for it something like this http://www.rwg.bz/private/watch/pam390/390-asso-130412.jpeg
can I ask the seller to change it for me? I don't want to pay more for an extra strap, plus i don't know how to change it myself, is there any TD that allows this?

5. Maybe you recommend another PAM then the 372 for me as my first? I don't really care as long as its simple and big and shiny, it can have a seconds dial also but nothing else.

That was all for this time, I hope someone could help me out here. :adoration:
 
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Check out ALE's PAM guide.....There is a great break down of all the versions including links to other forum posts detailing/reviewing the different versions of the watch. (http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=107365)

As for the strap, just get an aftermarket strap. Tons of great strap makers on this forum and all over....just read reviews and check out the strap makers sections....

I have the superclone version and absolutely love it. It is not a modified 6497 movement like the others. Dial and lume aren't as good as the NOOB version though, but overall it is a beautiful watch (I got mine relumed by cwazy).

As for other models, you may like the DSN 232 (gorgeous watch) and the 127 (not shiny, but considered a super rep amongst the 47mm PAMs)
 
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There are 3 versions:
h factory normal ($200+)
h factory superclone (388)
noob factory (200+)

The noob fac is a better choice than the h fac version. It's more accurate.
The exterior look of the 2 h factory versions are the same. The super clone has a clone panerai movement, and will be more accurate looking than the normal one. The super clone version is really awesome, one wind is 150 hours of power reserve.
 
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First, you need to ask yourself a question. Does the back of the watch really matters to you?

For me, personally I care more about the dial n front look. That's why I have the noob version. Apart from being cheaper, I believe it looks more accurate from the front.

Why would you spend another 100 bucks for something that doesn't really matter. I mean after 3 months most likely you won't notice the back of the watch anymore, at least in my case.

Secondly, yes it's true the power reserve is great for the super clone. It can last for 5 days.

But, most of the time... After I own several PAMs I started to wind my PAM every morning. It becomes a habit. Surprisingly I enjoy it. Lol.

Moreover the super clone movement is new and you will have more trouble servicing it.

For the strap, it's personal preference but I believe it will be very good to ditch the rep strap and get yourself a reasonably good strap. Why? Coz it makes a lot of difference. Changing strap is easy. Less than 3 minutes.

Last but not least, this 372 is one of the best thing that has ever produced. I love the 372. Either way, noob or superclone, both are amazing and gorgeous.
 
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I have both the Noob & superclone versions.... but i still prefer the Noob version because of its dial.
Looks much better...
 
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silverclaw said:
There are 3 versions:
h factory normal ($200+)
h factory superclone (388)
noob factory (200+)

The noob fac is a better choice than the h fac version. It's more accurate.
The exterior look of the 2 h factory versions are the same. The super clone has a clone panerai movement, and will be more accurate looking than the normal one. The super clone version is really awesome, one wind is 150 hours of power reserve.
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Superclone is not made by H-Factory.
 
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Thanks for all the replies, I guess it's leaning towards the noob version since the front is more important to me then the back, unless there is a better version coming up any time soon?

How about the 127? Are they made any better?

Last but not least, how do i wind it, do i pull out the crown one step or something like that?

Thanks.
 
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just pull the crown guard lever out and start turning the crown. As for the 127, the Noob E-series is the best one out there. I really suggest you spend some time reading through ALE's reference guide. It breaks it all down for the bulk of the PAM reps out there. If you only care for the front, it is pretty dang good right from the factory. If you are wanting a bit more from the movement, the Marlin modded 127 is the way to go. I just placed an order for one 2 days ago from him.
 
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rhaykal said:
just pull the crown guard lever out and start turning the crown. As for the 127, the Noob E-series is the best one out there. I really suggest you spend some time reading through ALE's reference guide. It breaks it all down for the bulk of the PAM reps out there. If you only care for the front, it is pretty dang good right from the factory. If you are wanting a bit more from the movement, the Marlin modded 127 is the way to go. I just placed an order for one 2 days ago from him.
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Alright thanks I will do that. Do you know a place that has the marlin 127 in stock? Also is there a good place for cheap straps? Im guessing the 372 is 26 mm strap?
 
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aeom said:
Alright thanks I will do that. Do you know a place that has the marlin 127 in stock? Also is there a good place for cheap straps? Im guessing the 372 is 26 mm strap?
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Marlin does his mods himself. He is listed in the vendors section of rwi. Go to his section and read read read. There is a method to ordering from him. You will definitely need to get your post count up.

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The only thing I did not see mentioned that I am sure any noob needs to know is that you will need to baby the face of any 372 watch. The 372 uses a plexiglass crystal and is prone to scratching at least more than a 127 or just about any other pam which will have a saphire crystal which is"virtually" scratch proof.
As for the leather band. i do not know of a TD that can source the watch and a nice replacement band. What I do is I aotomatically build in an extra $100+ dollars of budget on top of any panerai rep I buy expecting to get a nicer strap for the watch. Few or none of the rep straps are even as nice as something you can get elsewhere. However depending on your wrist size you can find some killer straps on each of the M2M sections on the 3-4 main forums as well as homage forum, watchuseek and paneristi. On top of that on paneristi you can find some great strap makers and some are pretty reasonable. I like sandave a lot for his price he makes a hell of a strap.
 
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If you visit homageforum (I'm not sure if its cool that I recommend other forums like this) I'd suggest getting in touch with "backpacker". Darko makes some amazing straps for a great price. I think I have 4 watches sitting on his straps and I just placed an order for another one for my incoming Marlin 127.

As for what esteban... above mentioned, you do have to be a bit more mindful with the 372s due to the plexi. I believe the gen comes with an extra plexi for that exact reason. Ofcourse light/mild scratches and scuffs aren't too bad since you can buff them out with polywatch and some mild scuffs kinda give it a little character. I'm not saying I'd go outta my way to scuff mine but if it happens I wont be too hellbent over it. You can also always just buy another plexi in the case that you really badly rough your plexi up or it cracks/shatters. Plexis are rather cheap and supposedly easy to install. And if you dont want to do it yourself, it is not really a pricey service if you were to send it off to have it done.
 
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aeom said:
Thanks, whats the difference between the noob and the one that costs 20 bucks less? which one has the most accurate front and dial like gen?
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Well, if you read the PAM guide, you would be able to see this. The one that's 20$ cheaper is the PT version N series. I have that and it's great, but the Noob wasn't available during that time. If it were, then 20$ is a small price to pay for these improvements over the 2 PT versions and the H-Factory one (lifted from ALE's guide, you can read it there):

- Better engraving LP on dial with good colour. Fonts are almost perfect, thick like gen, I cannot see the depth but seems better than previous versions. Just the transition edges of the fonts are not so crisp as gen ones (see below pics angles marked with orange arrow for example). LP inscription is better in general than previous versions.
- Better crystal shape
- Case and caseback seem good with P-series engraving
- Better hands (with a bit rounded edges) but better width and lume width
- It seems that engravings between lugs are very depth, even more than gen, but more accurate than previous versions
- Strap seems improved
 
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mysterio said:
Well, if you read the PAM guide, you would be able to see this. The one that's 20$ cheaper is the PT version N series. I have that and it's great, but the Noob wasn't available during that time. If it were, then 20$ is a small price to pay for these improvements over the 2 PT versions and the H-Factory one (lifted from ALE's guide, you can read it there):

- Better engraving LP on dial with good colour. Fonts are almost perfect, thick like gen, I cannot see the depth but seems better than previous versions. Just the transition edges of the fonts are not so crisp as gen ones (see below pics angles marked with orange arrow for example). LP inscription is better in general than previous versions.
- Better crystal shape
- Case and caseback seem good with P-series engraving
- Better hands (with a bit rounded edges) but better width and lume width
- It seems that engravings between lugs are very depth, even more than gen, but more accurate than previous versions
- Strap seems improved
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Yep I did read that. This pic got me a bit confused though uqyw.jpg the font color looks a bit better on the h one or is it just the lightning? :p4gtr:
 
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aeom said:
Yep I did read that. This pic got me a bit confused though uqyw.jpg the font color looks a bit better on the h one or is it just the lightning? :p4gtr:
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More likely the lighting. And that's rep to rep comparison, not rep to gen.
 
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aeom

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mysterio said:
More likely the lighting. And that's rep to rep comparison, not rep to gen.
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Alright thanks, I guess it's leaning towards the noob 372. I do like the strap on 422 more though, where can i get that kind of strap for the 372?
 
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