So is it official? Its Just not worth paying for a swiss ETA (from a website) because you will not get it. from what iv been reading the clones are really reliable for the money. Im not trying to bust on any dealers here. Just seems that true swiss ETA movements are really hard to come by now.
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Extinct swiss ETA for reps???
- Thread starter kendog870
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Ive ordered two watches with swiss movements in the last month and both contained swiss movements... UNLESS, the previous tells are no longer valid.
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I will argue the term "Swiss" when used in connection with any replica unless someone purchased an actual swiss movement and installed it themselves.
I replaced this term with the words "Genuine ETA" as it may be Genuine ETA but certainly not "Swiss" as it may be made by ETA Asia facilities but not assembled in Switzerland. I just wont call anything Swiss anymore,, not with everything I've seen.
I replaced this term with the words "Genuine ETA" as it may be Genuine ETA but certainly not "Swiss" as it may be made by ETA Asia facilities but not assembled in Switzerland. I just wont call anything Swiss anymore,, not with everything I've seen.
So which one of you eta pro's has a Rolex style silver color seconds hand (.25) for a sub or sea dweller that I can buy from you????
I dont care where it was made as long as it fits a 2836-2!!!!
T
I dont care where it was made as long as it fits a 2836-2!!!!
T
This is a whole new topic but........ is there a difference between the "swiss eta (made in china) and an Eta clone which also made in china. lol pretty soon hopefuly all of this will come together and make since to me.
Totally not being a smartarse here. I thought D was pretty clear on that.
A clone is a clone because all of it's parts are made in Asia.
oh ok some of these topics are so broad they are tough to find the answers im looking for when i do a search. So you are saying that the clone is a clone cause the parts are made in asia and it is assembled in asia. So that means the "swiss"eta are swiss parts but assembled in asia? That is if it isnt a Genuine swiss eta
Correct. Only one containing Swiss parts and assembled there are Swiss. These may contain Swiss parts but are being assembled in Asia.
OK, how about a movement that has Swiss Parts, and Asian parts, but is built in Switzerland?
Or how about a movement that has Swiss parts, Asian parts, and South African parts that was assembled in Canada?
Or how about a movement that has Swiss parts, Asian parts, and South African parts that was assembled in Canada?
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if any body out there can prove to me they have a swiss made eta in their new rep i am willing to listen but talk is cheap and proof is very hard to come by.
http://onswissmade.blogspot.com/
http://onswissmade.blogspot.com/
Hk. It's been years and I'm still waiting on evidence someone has been called out at a ballpark. 
Guys,
I think there is a real confusion, between a Swiss movement and a Swiss ETA movement.
For Starters Smeg Claro - CL888 (I think I have this right) is basicalluy a cheap Sea-Gull assembed and polished in Switzerland. THIS IS A SWISS movement according to the law.
Closser to the ETA arguement is
http://www.valanvron.ch/Pages/Valanvron-24-UK.html
They too use Sea-Gull Chinese parts to make 2824-2. 2892 clones and can legally call them Swiss because some little Swiss person is assembling the Chinese parts in Switzerland. Just look at the Val-24 looks exactly like the Sea-Gull ST2130, that looks like and ETA2824
Back to the Swatch publicly stated policy, that they will not be suppling companies outside the Swatch Group. So everyone will have to buy from the Grey market or the movement brokers - and do you really trust these guys whom some of them operate out of Turky, or India or somewhere....
So unless you are willing to buy the movement from a Swatch affiliated retailer/wholesaler, there is a more than even money chance you will get a copy at a ETA price. Just do the sums, there are not that many real ETA comming out of ETA. I was also told that ETA only make the 2824-2 in Switzerland, so that puts water on the "Oh they are made in an ETA Factory in China" theory.
Being very cynical, it can be argued that the smaller companiies have been selling fakes under the guise of real ETA for a logn time - I am sure they are just putting their heads in the sand. But I a resigned to the fact that regardless what I pay it will probably be (if it is good) a Sea-Gull or a Hangzhou. If it is 21 Jewels, it will probably be a DG or Nanning 2813, not too bad fro a USD15.00 movement. If it looks really bad it will be a ST6 or somethign from the bottom draw of the Chinese menu
Rob
I think there is a real confusion, between a Swiss movement and a Swiss ETA movement.
For Starters Smeg Claro - CL888 (I think I have this right) is basicalluy a cheap Sea-Gull assembed and polished in Switzerland. THIS IS A SWISS movement according to the law.
Closser to the ETA arguement is
http://www.valanvron.ch/Pages/Valanvron-24-UK.html
They too use Sea-Gull Chinese parts to make 2824-2. 2892 clones and can legally call them Swiss because some little Swiss person is assembling the Chinese parts in Switzerland. Just look at the Val-24 looks exactly like the Sea-Gull ST2130, that looks like and ETA2824
Back to the Swatch publicly stated policy, that they will not be suppling companies outside the Swatch Group. So everyone will have to buy from the Grey market or the movement brokers - and do you really trust these guys whom some of them operate out of Turky, or India or somewhere....
So unless you are willing to buy the movement from a Swatch affiliated retailer/wholesaler, there is a more than even money chance you will get a copy at a ETA price. Just do the sums, there are not that many real ETA comming out of ETA. I was also told that ETA only make the 2824-2 in Switzerland, so that puts water on the "Oh they are made in an ETA Factory in China" theory.
Being very cynical, it can be argued that the smaller companiies have been selling fakes under the guise of real ETA for a logn time - I am sure they are just putting their heads in the sand. But I a resigned to the fact that regardless what I pay it will probably be (if it is good) a Sea-Gull or a Hangzhou. If it is 21 Jewels, it will probably be a DG or Nanning 2813, not too bad fro a USD15.00 movement. If it looks really bad it will be a ST6 or somethign from the bottom draw of the Chinese menu
Rob
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This means that the watch industry is not following the exact same rules of Swissness : but actually we don't know if we're over or under 60%...??
And guess what, this link : http://www.ip4all.ch/faq/f08e.shtm says it's only 50%, while you thought it would be much more !!
Finally this gives you all details : http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/2/232.119.de.pdf
(German readers only)[/quote:2yhq8jso]
Whatever happens :
- ETA is responsible for losing control of the "Swissness" of their brand
- I will never pay premium just to get an ETA or Swiss ETA movement. If I pay premium, it's because I have no alternative (my SFSO for example). Otherwise my option would always be the officially advertized ETA clone
Pix said:
This means that the watch industry is not following the exact same rules of Swissness : but actually we don't know if we're over or under 60%...??
And guess what, this link : http://www.ip4all.ch/faq/f08e.shtm says it's only 50%, while you thought it would be much more !!
Finally this gives you all details : http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/2/232.119.de.pdf
(German readers only)[/quote:2yhq8jso]
Whatever happens :
- ETA is responsible for losing control of the "Swissness" of their brand
- I will never pay premium just to get an ETA or Swiss ETA movement. If I pay premium, it's because I have no alternative (my SFSO for example). Otherwise my option would always be the officially advertized ETA clone