Correct me if I'm wrong. The profile of the crystal is wrong? Shouldn't it be a superdome? There's a lot of distortion on the crystal and I've read that the first series of GENs were like that but never actually seen it.
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DSN pam127 Fiddy
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i like it lookg forward for the ultimate 217 ....
so mate...can we bring this Fiddy to any AD in the world LOL ??
so mate...can we bring this Fiddy to any AD in the world LOL ??
After writing my question, I actually found some pictures of GENs to put together this image to better illustrate what I was referring to. The pictures answered my question and thought I'd share it with you guys.
evildee said:After writing my question, I actually found some pictures of GENs to put together this image to better illustrate what I was referring to. The pictures answered my question and thought I'd share it with you guys.
I have to say that the profile of the DSN from Enzo's review looks much more domed than the one in this comparison. Maybe that is an old comparison photo or somthing.
Evildee, your pics are good. But if you look at the lugs in the pic of the gen 127, the picture taken shows the the lugs at a bit more of a angle downward than Davids and can see the top of the lugs. The pic of Davids 127 is a straight shot at the lugs on the side and you can`t see the top of them. This may be the reason why there is a less domed aspect in Davids picture. I have Davids and comparing it next to your shot now of the gen at the same angle it is the same contour.
Yeah, this pic from Enzo:
The crystal looks more domed than the pic you posted of the DSN Fiddy. Are we sure this is a DSN model? I had an MM20 from DSN (same crystal that he used on the Fiddy) and in real life it was QUITE domed. I'm sure you'd have to have the gen and the rep side by side in order to see a difference.
The crystal looks more domed than the pic you posted of the DSN Fiddy. Are we sure this is a DSN model? I had an MM20 from DSN (same crystal that he used on the Fiddy) and in real life it was QUITE domed. I'm sure you'd have to have the gen and the rep side by side in order to see a difference.
hooligan said:
I think mine looks like that at an angle. What do you think? Maybe I just have a different crystal?
Yeah, I'd say yours looks like Enzo's. As I said, even if it isn't *quite* as domed as a gen, you'd have to have them side-by-side to be able to see it.....
enzo said:
I have Davidsen's new 127 and it has the more pronounced crystal shape. If I remember correctly Davidsen came out with a 2nd generation sapphire crystal for the Fiddy and this could explain the two different crystal contours.
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Jake48 said:
Also have DSN latest, the distorsion is quite pronounced especially around the 12, 3 and 6 o'clock numbers. At the time it looked a bit odd to me (and this is my 4-th Fiddy rep) but after re-checking numerous photos of gen PAM127 I colleted over time from Paneristi and Timezone - it's spot on. If you can find some of the angled photos of a long time Paneristi Anthony Tsai's gen Fiddy, you'll see what I mean.
This is not to say one is more correct that the other - Panerai changed the xtal shape and subsequently it's dial distorsion effect somewhere during mid-run of their 1950 pieces production, with early produced pieces sporting the 'superdome' xtall with higher distorsion, and never ones the similar low-distorsion xtal that came on 217 and 203.
It's just a matter of preference, really
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babola
babola said:Jake48 said:
Also have DSN latest, the distorsion is quite pronounced especially around the 12, 3 and 6 o'clock numbers. At the time it looked a bit odd to me (and this is my 4-th Fiddy rep) but after re-checking numerous photos of gen PAM127 I colleted over time from Paneristi and Timezone - it's spot on. If you can find some of the angled photos of a long time Paneristi Anthony Tsai's gen Fiddy, you'll see what I mean.
This is not to say one is more correct that the other - Panerai changed the xtal shape and subsequently it's dial distorsion effect somewhere during mid-run of their 1950 pieces production, with early produced pieces sporting the 'superdome' xtall with higher distorsion, and never ones the similar low-distorsion xtal that came on 217 and 203.
It's just a matter of preference, really
cheers,
babola
babola - To add to what you said, I too read over at Paneristi and have seen numerous photo's of Gen 127's with the crystal distortion. In fact, when I was entertaining the idea of buying a Gen I found a guy on Paneristi that had a Gen 127 for sale. This guy had changed the original crystal to the later model crystal because he did not like the distortion and the updated style crystal did not distort the numbers. He had kept the original crystal and offered to sell the watch with which ever crystal I chose.
It seemed obvious to me from having read numerous posts of people who owned Gens that the crystal distortion was expected on the early 127's.
Personally, I like the distortion as it is one of a few things on the 127 that set it apart from all the other Panerai models and helps contribute to it's uniqueness.
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Agree Jake, distorted Fiddy xtal is the way to go IMO :wink: BTW, the pic in my avatar shows the Fiddy with DSN 1st generation Fiddy xtal installed, notice how different it was back then, the whole dial seemed to 'squeeze' into a much smaller shape, almost like those high-dioptry kids glasses. Due to that effect the dial appeared smaller than it really was.
The second gen xtals from DSN don't tend to squeeze the dial, instead they 'break' it in around 3mm from the xtal edge, giving it that unique Fiddy dial look. 8)
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