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Dr. Benjamin Carson Explains "Political Correctness is Dangerous" in Front of Barack
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It's a funny piece coming from Carson -- the Right Winger and favorite of Fox "News" and other Rightest organizations. PC is conservative code word aimed at Democrats and moderates who want to discuss pressing social issues -- most of which are anathama to them.
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He is quite a fine orator. Unfortunately he doesn't always practice what he's preaching in this speech.
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He certainly makes powerful liberals uncomfortable here....Watch his "character assassination" in living color....it's only a matter of time..
Character assassination? Hasn't been any here so far
Anyhow, that's the specialty of the Republican Party. It happens every day all day on Faux News.
Anyhow, that's the specialty of the Republican Party. It happens every day all day on Faux News.
I love a good conservative vs. liberal thread...I hope this one will be a real barn-burner :matty:
That's ok I don't smoke either KB...I always enjoyed you and Luthier in these moments. I always thought you both presented your arguments very well. I actually would root for both of you, but not sure what that makes me politically, probably just uninformed and definitely not enlightened. 
This is the first time I've seen Dr Carson, just love it when someone makes our leaders squirm.
Here's one of our MEP's giving the then Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, a hard time.
[h=1]The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government[/h]
Here's one of our MEP's giving the then Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, a hard time.
[h=1]The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government[/h]
Phil: That was good. Although I don't believe in the same philosophy as that speaker, he was quite convincing.
Although I don't know enough about British politics or economics to speak intelligently on it, as for our national debt, now is the best of all times to be spending on sorely needed infrastructure projects. Interest rates are at an all time low. It's a perfect time for financing of these long term projects such as roads, bridges, schools, etc that are normally financed with long term bonds. Just like we all finance our houses and cars. There's nothing irresponsible about that and it's been the function of governments since the creation of government. If you look at the US debt as a % of the actual value of the total assets of the US government, the amount is miniscule. Kind of like having a $10 mortgage on a $50 million dollar mansion.
I love these conservatives who's mantra is "all debt is bad". blah blah blah. They have no real concept of how the economics of government taxation actually work. It just makes for a good sound bit on Faux News.
Call me socialist but I like having a Dept of Transportation, Dept of Health, Dept of Education, FAA, Dept of Homeland Security, and all the other bits and pieces of good Government that keep our waters clean and our air healthy and our planes flying and our bridges and road safe.
And Cybee: I miss Luthier. When we weren't arguing online, we were actually quite friendly behind the scenes. We PM'd quite often.
Although I don't know enough about British politics or economics to speak intelligently on it, as for our national debt, now is the best of all times to be spending on sorely needed infrastructure projects. Interest rates are at an all time low. It's a perfect time for financing of these long term projects such as roads, bridges, schools, etc that are normally financed with long term bonds. Just like we all finance our houses and cars. There's nothing irresponsible about that and it's been the function of governments since the creation of government. If you look at the US debt as a % of the actual value of the total assets of the US government, the amount is miniscule. Kind of like having a $10 mortgage on a $50 million dollar mansion.
I love these conservatives who's mantra is "all debt is bad". blah blah blah. They have no real concept of how the economics of government taxation actually work. It just makes for a good sound bit on Faux News.
Call me socialist but I like having a Dept of Transportation, Dept of Health, Dept of Education, FAA, Dept of Homeland Security, and all the other bits and pieces of good Government that keep our waters clean and our air healthy and our planes flying and our bridges and road safe.
And Cybee: I miss Luthier. When we weren't arguing online, we were actually quite friendly behind the scenes. We PM'd quite often.
I understand what you're saying KBH. To be honest I don't take too much interest in politics, you'd never sleep at night through worry. Though I do vote in every election.
What I do enjoy is watching these videos of politicians behaving like they're in a school playground with all the name calling.
Out of interest the current Bank of England rate 0.5% unchanged since 2009
35yrs ago it was 17% and has been doping slowly
What I do enjoy is watching these videos of politicians behaving like they're in a school playground with all the name calling.
Out of interest the current Bank of England rate 0.5% unchanged since 2009
35yrs ago it was 17% and has been doping slowly
Yeah it is a shame the way politics has turned into a game of who can most belittle the other guy. It's no longer about governing, it's strictly about character assassination and the need to win at any and all cost. That's why our Congress has a single digit popularity rating in all the polls.
A smidge off topic, but Question Time is a hoot. Long live the BBC so we can see it here in the colonies.
Those with a Parliament have all the fun.
Carry on.
Those with a Parliament have all the fun.
Carry on.
I have to say of all the political wranglings that occur, I think our our most pressing issue is the debt clock that is ticking away. When you consider our national debt is over 18 trillion and a total U.S. debt of almost 60 trillion, ( numbers that are hard to comprehend) I would love to see our politicians get away from social issues and focus more on fiscal responsibility. This will be our undoing unless measures are taken but I fear it might be to late. It's simple for the Government and we the people, learn to spend less and save more. We are getting in a financial world of hurt, literally. :trainwreck:
It's not near as bad as they make it sound. Almost all of the increase in National Debt since Bill Clinton left office has been fighting foreign wars since Sept. 11 2001, after which Bush declared his rather illogical war against Saddam Hussein and carried it over into Afghanistan. Since then he never carried the costs on the books nor funded any taxes to pay for it.
It's normal for the Debt to GDP to go way up during times of war. It always has in the past.
People have already forgotten that under Clinton the annual deficit actually became a surplus.
But our leaders national obsession to overthrow any government that's not a democracy and they all became a target for the neo-cons. I think by now we all learned that the people of the Middle East need a strong ruler, otherwise they all just end up killing each other in the name of Allah. Unfortunately they are not yet ready for our style self government
Also, it's also very normal, in fact it's a common sense requirement for the debt to increase at a faster rate during a recession, or in this case The Great Recession. Government is financed by the collection of taxes. It's impossible to completely stop the operation of Government when the tax base dries up as it has in the last Great Recession. You are obligated to either raise tax rates or run a deficit. Since the Republicans only mantra is to continually decrease taxes (mostly for the rich and corporations), the only other option is to either continue to raise the deficit or make the situation intolerably worse by shutting down every government program which, in turn, just increases unemployment and spirals the economy downward even faster.
The more important number is the cost of servicing the national debt. Right now it's extremely low, probably as low as it's been in the last 30 years.
50 years from now our children's children will be moaning about the latest fact that each person's share of the debt is up to $80,000 and yet it won't make a bit of difference in their lives as long as people and foreign governments are still willing to purchase our Treasury Bonds at a low interest rate.
And, I should add that people have been bemoaning the fact that inflation is surely going to spiral out of control. We've been hearing that for the last 20 years and it still isn't happening. Why not? Because we have the assets to back up every one of our debts and the buyers still know that this is the strongest currency in the world.
It's normal for the Debt to GDP to go way up during times of war. It always has in the past.
People have already forgotten that under Clinton the annual deficit actually became a surplus.
But our leaders national obsession to overthrow any government that's not a democracy and they all became a target for the neo-cons. I think by now we all learned that the people of the Middle East need a strong ruler, otherwise they all just end up killing each other in the name of Allah. Unfortunately they are not yet ready for our style self government
Also, it's also very normal, in fact it's a common sense requirement for the debt to increase at a faster rate during a recession, or in this case The Great Recession. Government is financed by the collection of taxes. It's impossible to completely stop the operation of Government when the tax base dries up as it has in the last Great Recession. You are obligated to either raise tax rates or run a deficit. Since the Republicans only mantra is to continually decrease taxes (mostly for the rich and corporations), the only other option is to either continue to raise the deficit or make the situation intolerably worse by shutting down every government program which, in turn, just increases unemployment and spirals the economy downward even faster.
The more important number is the cost of servicing the national debt. Right now it's extremely low, probably as low as it's been in the last 30 years.
50 years from now our children's children will be moaning about the latest fact that each person's share of the debt is up to $80,000 and yet it won't make a bit of difference in their lives as long as people and foreign governments are still willing to purchase our Treasury Bonds at a low interest rate.
And, I should add that people have been bemoaning the fact that inflation is surely going to spiral out of control. We've been hearing that for the last 20 years and it still isn't happening. Why not? Because we have the assets to back up every one of our debts and the buyers still know that this is the strongest currency in the world.
You're right Tommy, Question Time can be entertaining but, it has its fair share of arsehole on there from time to time.
A smidge off topic, but Question Time is a hoot. Long live the BBC so we can see it here in the colonies.
Those with a Parliament have all the fun.
Carry on.
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Well, from where I sit the interest on the debt should be an immediate problem and I would much rather make an effort to at least keep some of that burden of my grandchild but at this time I don't see any attempts made to do that. Ordinary citizens should not have to live their life in a financial house of cards. For me personally, mounting credit card debt and making minimum payments on a high interest card is not sound financial advice. If this is part of what fuels our economic engine then good luck, it does not work in my financial scheme. Then again, I'm not a Nobel Prize winning economist but I can pay cash for popcorn, but not theater popcorn, its too expensive
That's a very interesting graph KBH, kind of put it in perspective.
Isn't it interesting that during a much greater portion of our Country's history there is actually a decreasing debt to GDP. If you take out the 3 previous wars plus the current wars and two depressions, we wouldn't have had any problem at all and probably wouldn't even be talking about this.