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Doubts......which one should I purchase ?

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I've read some posts about various models that interest me. I'm very interested by the HWF PAM 177 , but I still don't understand if it is "done right". I would like this model since titanium is very light. Does this Panny have any special flaws.......?
Otherwise my top choices are the 005 and 111 by Noob.
Could someone give me some directions ? " I'm in love with 177 " ( :D ) , but if there were flaws I would not buy it.....(Dial, Clone Caliber, Case ect ..)
If the 177 had defects , between 111 and 005 by Noob which one would you recommend ?
And this model low price ? What do you think ? 005 N V6F

Thanks to all who will answer me........ :)

Junio M.
 
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Hello!

Regarding PAM177 HWF, you can read more here:

This is the only uncoated titanium luminor bettarini variant today, although there are excellent HF and NOOB options from earlier ones, however, you will only have to look for them in m2m.

Regarding NOOB PAM111 and NOOB PAM005, it is also likely that they may not be available now due to the closure of NOOB. Also, it's worth noting that the best versions of both of them are not the latest.

If I were you, I would just take an interest in the versions under consideration, and decide what may suit me and what not, and further clarify the availability of TD and build on what is available.

Even if we take some hypothetical best NOOB PAM111, these are still obvious flaws in the back, due to the presence of a transparent caseback, while PAM005 from NOOB, this is no less obvious flaws in the structure of the sausage in the front.

As for the HWF, it's always noticeably worse than NOOB movt. finishes, wider sandwich cutouts, and often, noticeably more greenish lume.

But again, this is a titanium case, which is an unsportsmanlike advantage, but again, if you are looking for it.

As for v6f PAM005, you should check, if there is no mistake in the description, and you do not mean XF, then this model has been out of stock for at least 3-4 years...
 
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Hello!

Regarding PAM177 HWF, you can read more here:

This is the only uncoated titanium luminor bettarini variant today, although there are excellent HF and NOOB options from earlier ones, however, you will only have to look for them in m2m.

Regarding NOOB PAM111 and NOOB PAM005, it is also likely that they may not be available now due to the closure of NOOB. Also, it's worth noting that the best versions of both of them are not the latest.

If I were you, I would just take an interest in the versions under consideration, and decide what may suit me and what not, and further clarify the availability of TD and build on what is available.

Even if we take some hypothetical best NOOB PAM111, these are still obvious flaws in the back, due to the presence of a transparent caseback, while PAM005 from NOOB, this is no less obvious flaws in the structure of the sausage in the front.

As for the HWF, it's always noticeably worse than NOOB movt. finishes, wider sandwich cutouts, and often, noticeably more greenish lume.

But again, this is a titanium case, which is an unsportsmanlike advantage, but again, if you are looking for it.

As for v6f PAM005, you should check, if there is no mistake in the description, and you do not mean XF, then this model has been out of stock for at least 3-4 years...
that being said, what factory currently produces the better OTB Pams, and which models are currently pretty good? Are there any current NWBIG ?
 
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Hello!

Regarding PAM177 HWF, you can read more here:

This is the only uncoated titanium luminor bettarini variant today, although there are excellent HF and NOOB options from earlier ones, however, you will only have to look for them in m2m.

Regarding NOOB PAM111 and NOOB PAM005, it is also likely that they may not be available now due to the closure of NOOB. Also, it's worth noting that the best versions of both of them are not the latest.

If I were you, I would just take an interest in the versions under consideration, and decide what may suit me and what not, and further clarify the availability of TD and build on what is available.

Even if we take some hypothetical best NOOB PAM111, these are still obvious flaws in the back, due to the presence of a transparent caseback, while PAM005 from NOOB, this is no less obvious flaws in the structure of the sausage in the front.

As for the HWF, it's always noticeably worse than NOOB movt. finishes, wider sandwich cutouts, and often, noticeably more greenish lume.

But again, this is a titanium case, which is an unsportsmanlike advantage, but again, if you are looking for it.

As for v6f PAM005, you should check, if there is no mistake in the description, and you do not mean XF, then this model has been out of stock for at least 3-4 years...
Thanx for your reply !
So , I’ve found a Pam 111 Noob (of 2019) and bought in EU. I suppose it’s the V4.

This is the thread : https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/fs-noob-pam111-from-jtime-2019.10917335/

This is an acceptable Noob version , right ?
Let me know about.

Regard

Junio M.
 
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that being said, what factory currently produces the better OTB Pams, and which models are currently pretty good? Are there any current NWBIG ?
I would say that the best OTB pam is made by VSF.
There are a lot of models, as a rather uncompromising example, I could say that PAM1312 from VSF is a good example of one of the best for VSF.
I haven't looked at the NWBIG list for a long time, but as far as I remember, it hasn't been updated in a very long time, and I'm not sure if there are at least a couple of current models being produced at the moment.
From year to year, in the panerai section, a vote for the rep of the year takes place, and in these threads you can watch the latest. Also, I wrote on all the models of 2020, many of which are relevant today, and I will definitely write a summary of 2021.
Basically, rep panerai are traditionally classified according to PAM GUIDE, which also hasn't had an update in a long time. Accordingly, all your opinions about what is better and what is worse can be formed from the facts presented by the participants in the threads of the respective models.
 

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Thanx for your reply !
So , I’ve found a Pam 111 Noob (of 2019) and bought in EU. I suppose it’s the V4.

This is the thread : https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/fs-noob-pam111-from-jtime-2019.10917335/

This is an acceptable Noob version , right ?
Let me know about.

Regard

Junio M.
I would say V5, but it won't change much, there are most of the advantages here, with the possible exception of the long micrometer screw, which was found on the Y-incablok for a short period.
This is a good example of the recent successful NOOB PAM111. Congratulations on your purchase.
 
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I would say V5, but it won't change much, there are most of the advantages here, with the possible exception of the long micrometer screw, which was found on the Y-incablok for a short period.
This is a good example of the recent successful NOOB PAM111. Congratulations on your purchase.
I’m very happy ! 😀
A bargain this purchase , some minutes ago I’ve ordered this vintage strap 24mm

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How do You thinking about ?
Italian handmade 😀

Junio M.
 

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I would say that the best OTB pam is made by VSF.
There are a lot of models, as a rather uncompromising example, I could say that PAM1312 from VSF is a good example of one of the best for VSF.
I haven't looked at the NWBIG list for a long time, but as far as I remember, it hasn't been updated in a very long time, and I'm not sure if there are at least a couple of current models being produced at the moment.
From year to year, in the panerai section, a vote for the rep of the year takes place, and in these threads you can watch the latest. Also, I wrote on all the models of 2020, many of which are relevant today, and I will definitely write a summary of 2021.
Basically, rep panerai are traditionally classified according to PAM GUIDE, which also hasn't had an update in a long time. Accordingly, all your opinions about what is better and what is worse can be formed from the facts presented by the participants in the threads of the respective models.
Outstanding info, thank you!
 
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I've a little problem , the handmade strap it's here (pic) but it's 24/24 and I don't have a 24mm rep buckle with "Panerai" engraving.... :(
Someome have a solution ? It's possible fit a 22mm buckle in a 24mm strap ? I've open a thread for buy a 24mm buckle....

Thanx
 

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Do You Like ?
2 Italian handmade straps. 😀

1) Vintage Ecrù

2) Red Tobacco Vintage

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