Does the VSF 1:1 8938 movement replica use a co-axial escapement?

[JaceBeleren]

I was reading about how the VSF AquaTerra WorldTimer uses a 1:1 clone 8938 replica movement. This presumably means the clone movement has a co-axial escapement. However I also remember reading something about the fact that co-axial movements are more expensive to make which is why rep makers tend to avoid them and this is why most Omega reps use a modified 2824 instead of a clone movement.

That got me wondering: does the clone 8938 have a co-axial escapement or is it only "1:1" in a very loose sense of the term (especially because the VSF AquaTerra WorldTimer is not a particularly expensive rep)? Presumably if it's the former rep makers have started to get the hang of things with co-axial escapements and so we might expect to see more actual clone movements made for Omega reps?

 

[Dave2302]

I doubt it but don't know for sure, all the Omega's I have are just dressed up with deco plates to look kinda like a Co-Axial. Of course it really makes no difference on the Solid Caseback models but on a Display Caseback anyone with even a small amount of movement knowledge can spot it if you show it to them.

 

[dogwood]

It doesn’t. The “clone” 89xx movement found in VSF omegas has a standard escapement, not a co-axial escapement. I used “scare quotes” around the word clone because it’s not really a clone so much as an homage movement. It’s not just a decorated 2824, it’s a different beast with two mainsprings and a custom train wheel layout. But it’s not a clone.

 

[Reaps]

Nope, they don't, no coaxial has been replicated and it never will be, that's also why there's a fundamental flaw in most coaxial Omega replicas because of the beat rate, it's 28,880 not 25200 or whatever the weird omega beat rate is.

 

[Dave2302]

that's also why there's a fundamental flaw in most coaxial Omega replicas because of the beat rate, it's 28,880 not 25200 or whatever the weird omega beat rate is.

Thanks for this reminder, I only learned this very recently in another thread and had already forgotten that

Forgetting stuff seems to be a regular and worsening occurence at my age, I'll be a gibbering eejit soon ...........

Oh, Wait ........

 

[Reaps]

Thanks for this reminder, I only learned this very recently in another thread and had already forgotten that

Forgetting stuff seems to be a regular and worsening occurence at my age, I'll be a gibbering eejit soon ...........

Oh, Wait ........

Dave I'm sure you've forgotten more about watches than some people know

 

[JaceBeleren]

It doesn’t. The “clone” 89xx movement found in VSF omegas has a standard escapement, not a co-axial escapement. I used “scare quotes” around the word clone because it’s not really a clone so much as an homage movement. It’s not just a decorated 2824, it’s a different beast with two mainsprings and a custom train wheel layout. But it’s not a clone.

Hm, so even the 8900 replica movement has two working barrels? I thought one of them was a fake barrel...

 

[Dave2302]

Hm, so even the 8900 replica movement has two working barrels? I thought one of them was a fake barrel...

I thought so too, but if @dogwood says it does, then it almost certainly does, he knows more in his little finger than I do, and also I even forget what I had for lunch these days

It may possibly perhaps maybe that cheaper rep movements in Omegas (Omegii ?) have a fake barrell, IDK

 

[Reaps]

I know the Aqua Terra Worldtimer has two, real, functioning barrels.

The Aqua Terra movements are semi clones, I don't really know what they're based off but I think some bastardized 7750/2824?

But the Seamaster movements are A2824 with deco plates.

 

[Dave2302]

I had hot dogs for lunch, mustard and tomato sauce, onions, the full worx, so when I forgot later y'all can remind me

 

[dogwood]

Both barrels are functional for sure.

And yes there are aspects of the movement design which are like the 2824 (eg the automatic works) and the 7750 (the keyless works).

 

[geemod]

it's a shame they wont be cloned, but it does make sense

 

[Reaps]

it's a shame they wont be cloned, but it does make sense

Gen omega is cheap so if coaxial matters pick one up grey market