DJ36 Franken - what's Gen? what's rep? UK

[rossyl]

Hi,

I've purchased a second hand Franken, with a Gen movement.

I'd like someone knowledgeable to go through the watch and work out just how gen the movement is. Also what other parts are gen, and what are not.

Need someone in the UK to do that, any suggestions?

The case is rep, and I'm keen on housing it in a gen 116234, but not sure if it's worth it.

Thanks

 

[rossyl]

I do not have any details of the build, hence my question. Thanks

 

[rossyl]

Grateful for help and tagging a few people (hope you don't mind and grateful for help)


@tripdog
@Oascom
@yodog
@Sub007
@Johnny Depp

 

[Feefo]

Did you bother looking here:

Comprehensive Guide to Clone Movements Found in Rolex Reps

Change Log: August 25th 2022 - Initial version published on r/RepTime March 9th 2023 - Updated version published on RWI. Updated to include information about the new SH3285 found in C+ Factory GMTs and DD3285 found in Clean Factory GMTs. March 14th 2023 - Update to include a link to Steve's...

forum.replica-watch.info

 

[rossyl]

Did you bother looking here:

Comprehensive Guide to Clone Movements Found in Rolex Reps

Change Log: August 25th 2022 - Initial version published on r/RepTime March 9th 2023 - Updated version published on RWI. Updated to include information about the new SH3285 found in C+ Factory GMTs and DD3285 found in Clean Factory GMTs. March 14th 2023 - Update to include a link to Steve's...

forum.replica-watch.info

Many thanks for this.

Is it possible to "replace" or fettle the balance bridge and the balance wheel. Or does this mean it is genuine?

But how gen if so? Could that part be gen and much else rep?

I ask this as:
- the automatic rotor pin looks different, and is solid.

- escape wheel, it's hard to tell, as it's moving, maybe those with a better eye can tell.

- movement code/serial. I've had a search, but not been able to find if there's common faked codes.


Many thanks

 

[Feefo]

To me the rotor screw/pivot looks exactly like gen, which is "solid" (if I got what you meant).

Escape wheel: I guess you mean the balance spring since the escape wheel is hidden under the bridges. If you want to have a look at that to check the weighted screws you can simply, carefully, use a toothpick to stop its movement, it won't damage the gears.

 

[rossyl]

To me the rotor screw/pivot looks exactly like gen, which is "solid" (if I got what you meant).

Escape wheel: I guess you mean the balance spring since the escape wheel is hidden under the bridges. If you want to have a look at that to check the weighted screws you can simply, carefully, use a toothpick to stop its movement, it won't damage the gears.

Thanks very much.

In your general view, are you thinking it's a gen movement? I imagine it'd be hard to make it looks partially gen.

Thanks

 

[Feefo]

Judging from a cursory comparison with gen pics it looks that way, but I'm not an expert and would ask @dogwood for a final verdict.

 

[Maximillian]

The complete balance looks gen to my untrained eyes.

 

[dogwood]

Balance is gen. The automatic works looks gen (engraving is very sharp). The winding bridge looks gen too (sharp engraving of 3135). But hard to tell without looking through a loupe. The finishing on Dandong movements is very good these days, you really need to look closely to see the difference in surface finishing of metal parts.

As for the rest, I don’t know. I’m a grease monkey mechanic. I look at movements. Bodywork and upholstery is somebody else’s department.

 

[rossyl]

Thank you all very much, really appreciate it.

 

[rossyl]

Balance is gen. The automatic works looks gen (engraving is very sharp). The winding bridge looks gen too (sharp engraving of 3135). But hard to tell without looking through a loupe. The finishing on Dandong movements is very good these days, you really need to look closely to see the difference in surface finishing of metal parts.

As for the rest, I don’t know. I’m a grease monkey mechanic. I look at movements. Bodywork and upholstery is somebody else’s department.

@dogwood many thanks

I don't suppose you know if
Rep hands, rep dials, rep Crowns etc...

...could be fitted to (what appears to be) a gen movement?

I would guess you could mod a dial to fit.

Not sure about the other bits and pieces though.

FYI, The case and bracelet are rep.

Many thanks

 

[Maximillian]

@dogwood many thanks

I don't suppose you know if
Rep hands, rep dials, rep Crowns etc...

...could be fitted to (what appears to be) a gen movement?

I would guess you could mod a dial to fit.

Not sure about the other bits and pieces though.

FYI, The case and bracelet are rep.

Many thanks

A rep with a clone movement usually can interchange with gen parts without a problem.