Discussion about new movement 3285 GMT

[Pure78]

I want to open a discussion, can any expert explain well?
Because with all these movements you no longer understand anything, and then there are those who have one opinion and others another opinion, all different opinions and you don't understand anything.

What movement is it? Reliable? Real clone 3285 ? Or based on 3235?


Real clone 3285 is said in this video

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In this video, however, the movement with different foot positions from 3186 is explained in detail, furthermore the hours and minutes progress is counterclockwise like gen 126710, furthermore, when you adjust only the hand hour, the hand movement click is like gen, furthermore the hand GMT no longer jumps

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In this video, however, he explains the movement well, and it is also said that it is not the classic Shanghai

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Unfortunately I don't understand Chinese, but it would seem like a real 3285 clone

Any super expert who can explain? Also how many hours is the power reserve?


Thanks for support

 

[KJ2020]

There aren't enough of these in circulation for anyone to have done any meaningful comparisons either beyween different manufacturers or to a gen AFAIK.

I can tell you some things in general.

Gen GMT movements are based on less complex non-GMT counterpart movements. 3185/86 are base 3135, 3285 are base 3235. The gen GMT movements will share the same direction hands movements as their base movements have. 3135/85/86 hands move fwd with fwd crown. 3235/85 hands move backwards with fwd crown.

No gen Rolex GMTs have a jumping GMT hand - that's a rep 2813 / 2836 feature. Also other ETAs can have this like 2893 and other non Rolex rep and gen movements.

Rolex gen and 3185/86 3285 rep 5 and 6 digit GMTs will have hour hand jumping that is used for date changing and for setting an offset hour to the GMT hand, which is always slaved to the minute hand.

Gen Rolex 3185/86 have dial feet at 13 and 37 minutes, same as 3135. Gen 3235/3285 have no feet and no dial foot holes. Dials are friction fit with underside rims hugging the movement.

True clone rep movements sometimes include dial foot holes to accommodate 116x dials as well as 126x dials, though it's a mystery to me why the holes are placed where they are sometimes. I added feet to a never before used location once to take advantage of these feet holes.

All three of those movements you link from Steve look very similar (nearly identical). The mainplate serial numbers are different on all of them, that could just mean a different batch base 3235 mainplate. These are all called VRs and do share some similarities to the VR3235 like fake free sprung balance deco arm, regulation arms moved to far side, etc. But until either a TD or a member can do a teardown on one or more of these that's about all we can know.

 

[Harruchi]

According to the video there are two branches of Shanghai and the new 3285 is from the one that's known to make unreliable movements like the 7750 and the Ming Zhu 3135 used in AR watches. The concern here is that it's not made by the factory with the better track record. PR hasn't been tested yet but no way it'll run for 70 hours. The guy in the video says he tested it up to 24 hours and it still runs but doubts it'll come close to 70. His watch also was a DOA right out the box so he had to fix it which doesn't bode well for the reliability of this movement.

 

[KJ2020]

According to the video there are two branches of Shanghai and the new 3285 is from the one that's known to make unreliable movements like the 7750 and the Ming Zhu 3135 used in AR watches. The concern here is that it's not made by the factory with the better track record. PR hasn't been tested yet but no way it'll run for 70 hours. The guy in the video says he tested it up to 24 hours and it still runs but doubts it'll come close to 70. His watch also was a DOA right out the box so he had to fix it which doesn't bode well for the reliability of this movement.

That's useful to know, thanks for the translation. If they are the same factory responsible for the ARF SH3186 (base SH3135), then I would have serious concerns. I have 5 or 6 of those that are dead and are not getting fixed.

 

[Pure78]

According to the video there are two branches of Shanghai and the new 3285 is from the one that's known to make unreliable movements like the 7750 and the Ming Zhu 3135 used in AR watches. The concern here is that it's not made by the factory with the better track record. PR hasn't been tested yet but no way it'll run for 70 hours. The guy in the video says he tested it up to 24 hours and it still runs but doubts it'll come close to 70. His watch also was a DOA right out the box so he had to fix it which doesn't bode well for the reliability of this movement.

I believed instead that this movement was not the famous Shanghai of the unreliable factory, but instead the better Shanghai

 

[Pure78]

There aren't enough of these in circulation for anyone to have done any meaningful comparisons either beyween different manufacturers or to a gen AFAIK.

I can tell you some things in general.

Gen GMT movements are based on less complex non-GMT counterpart movements. 3185/86 are base 3135, 3285 are base 3235. The gen GMT movements will share the same direction hands movements as their base movements have. 3135/85/86 hands move fwd with fwd crown. 3235/85 hands move backwards with fwd crown.

No gen Rolex GMTs have a jumping GMT hand - that's a rep 2813 / 2836 feature. Also other ETAs can have this like 2893 and other non Rolex rep and gen movements.

Rolex gen and 3185/86 3285 rep 5 and 6 digit GMTs will have hour hand jumping that is used for date changing and for setting an offset hour to the GMT hand, which is always slaved to the minute hand.

Gen Rolex 3185/86 have dial feet at 13 and 37 minutes, same as 3135. Gen 3235/3285 have no feet and no dial foot holes. Dials are friction fit with underside rims hugging the movement.

True clone rep movements sometimes include dial foot holes to accommodate 116x dials as well as 126x dials, though it's a mystery to me why the holes are placed where they are sometimes. I added feet to a never before used location once to take advantage of these feet holes.

All three of those movements you link from Steve look very similar (nearly identical). The mainplate serial numbers are different on at least one, that could just mean a different batch base 3235 mainplate. These are all called VRs and do share some similarities to the VR3235 like fake free sprung balance deco arm, regulation arms moved to far side, etc. But until either a TD or a member can do a teardown on one or more of these that's about all we can know.

What you think about diameter these movement 3285? Same 3186?

 

[Harruchi]

What you think about diameter these movement 3285? Same 3186?

Nothing mentioned about the diameter so I think it's similar to the 3186

 

[Mark1937]

Movement 3285 receved to top off my franken pepsi with dial gen.
Also bought DW gen for 3235(Sub)/3185 movement.
Gen dial fix perfectly.
All functions are like gen and no jumping hours.

 

[Pure78]

Movement 3285 receved to top off my franken pepsi with dial gen.
Also bought DW gen for 3235(Sub)/3185 movement.
Gen dial fix perfectly.
All functions are like gen and no jumping hours.

Hi man is the new movement 3285 ? Is based on 3235? Good movement? Info about power reserve?
Thanks

 

[Pure78]

Movement 3285 receved to top off my franken pepsi with dial gen.
Also bought DW gen for 3235(Sub)/3185 movement.
Gen dial fix perfectly.
All functions are like gen and no jumping hours.

Where you buy movement?

 

[Pure78]

Where you buy movement?

so from what i understand i can use the same DW as my 3186 and the same case as my CF right ?

 

[KJ2020]

Movement 3285 receved to top off my franken pepsi with dial gen.
Also bought DW gen for 3235(Sub)/3185 movement.
Gen dial fix perfectly.
All functions are like gen and no jumping hours.

Bro what do you mean no jumping hours? You must be saying no hands wobble. Of course it will have the hour jumping feature.

Same mainplate serial as the KING VR3285

 

[KJ2020]

What you think about diameter these movement 3285? Same 3186?

3135/85/86 and 3235/85 rep and gen are all the same diameter

 

[KJ2020]

so from what i understand i can use the same DW as my 3186 and the same case as my CF right ?

Whether rep or gen, the 31xx and 32xx DWs are not interchangeable between series.

31xx has DW teeth at mid number.
32xx has DW teeth at bottom number.

Rep 3285 movement will fit a 3186 case.

 

[Mark1937]

Bro what do you mean no jumping hours? You must be saying no hands wobble. Of course it will have the hour jumping feature.

Same mainplate serial as the KING VR3285

Yes bro, I means no hands wobble ;-)

 

[Pure78]

3135/85/86 and 3235/85 rep and gen are all the same diameter

Thanks man

 

[Pure78]

Whether rep or gen, the 31xx and 32xx DWs are not interchangeable between series.

31xx has DW teeth at mid number.
32xx has DW teeth at bottom number.

Rep 3285 movement will fit a 3186 case.

But he put DW for 3235 and 3185 and working

 

[KJ2020]

But he put DW for 3235 and 3185 and working

I promise you he did not put a 3135 DW (also used in a 3185/86) into a 3235 based 3285.

His post should read "Also bought DW gen for 3235(Sub)/3285 movement"

He mistyped or was mistaken. Just look at the DWs bro. Like I said, the teeth are not in the same place. A 31xx DW number would display half visible in the dial of a 32xx movement, if it would even fit due to date plate and date parts changes.

 

[KJ2020]

Look where the teeth are relative to the numbers

 

[AG91]

I seem to recall that these new 32xx are actually based on 31xx. the only true 32xx clone is the vs3235 that i know of...so i guess a 31xx DW is likely correct for these 32xx hybrids