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Current H Factory Quality

45acp

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I was wondering what everyone's overall impression of the quality on H factory Pams currently is. Specifically the quality of the dial printing/texture. I really want a Pam 088, and the Noob factory is not currently making them, but the H factory version is available. I had H factory watches 3-4 years ago, and they were good but compared to the Noob factory I found the finer points to be lacking. Specifically I am thinking of the dial print, which on the H factory was just flat ink, while the Noob (and gens, I think) have a slightly raised, glossy character to them. That was a while ago, so if they've improved I might just go with the H factory version.

PS - I know the sub dial color might be slightly off on the H factory 088, that doesn't bother me. I' more concerned with the quality of the finish and details than minor accuracy points like that.
 

dood

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Lol, same situation here with wanting the best version of 088 and it not being available. The TD’s that have a good relationship with noob should get on the factory’s ass to put the 088 O series back in production since there’s clearly still demand for it.

The noob 088 has better case set, case itself, crown guard, crown itself, crystal bevel, cyclops and dial than the H 088.

The two newer H’s are still classified as “super reps” though, so there’s that. Just hard for me to swallow personally, knowing the noob is an arguably much better version.
 

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Are there any good reviews of the H factory 104 or 088? So often I find the conventional wisdom on here about which versions are superior to be really flawed, and more the product of groupthink than actual objective comparison (The AP diver models over the years are a good example of this I think). A review with some good macro shots would help me a lot.
 

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The new breed of H factory uses parts produced by the V6 factory. The new manual wind models are all top quality and are superior to the noob models. Noobs 111 dual is still better but the 005/000 etc and boutique models are all better in every way.
 

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There are some points to be clarified about this matter

From the end of 2014 and starting 2015, H maker and KW released new improved Luminor 44mm casesets. Noob was already applying a new caseset called V4 but only in the PAM 390 model.

H maker
H maker new caseset has an impressive finish, accurate shape, and the appearance is very good, but the edges are really sharp and to get complete accuracy they need to be rounded. The bezel profile is also a bit inaccurate because the transition edge is sharper too and the basement seems a bit higher than gen (this height is enhanced by the sharp edge and the bezel profile seems a bit weird). The crown is “slim” and accurate. H maker CG is now almost at the same level as Noob. The main problem at this moment is that H maker is using old and new parts mixed in the new casesets and the production is also a bit inconsistent regarding quality. Maybe in the near future all that will be corrected and we will be able to enjoy completely these nice casesets. Although the inaccuracies above commented the caseset is really nice and the appearance is awesome. We can say that this new H maker caseset is better than “old” Noob V3
In relation to dials, sandwich dials are still better in Noob (more accurate and deeper) but in sausage dials H maker has introduced important improvements and the appearance is more gen-like than older versions. The lume structure is not yet like gen (deep cavities filled by lume material which remains flat and a bit recessed) but the appearance is more gen-like than before. Without a loupe you can be fooled by the rep sausage dial. Anyway Noob is also working in those sausage dials and has also improved the quality. We would need more info about these dials to make a decision

Noob
Noob V3 caseset is already surpassed IMO by new H maker and new KW, and mainly by the new Noob V4. Noob V4 caseset has accurate shape and the finish is very good as usually, bezel is accurate like in old V3 and the lugs and lugs insertion to the mid case are completely improved. Noob has introduced a new and nice “slim” crown, has improved the bevelled of the crystals, has even improved the CG and the CG pin and some units feature an improved CG lever shape (this shape is still a bit inaccurate and it is not applied in all units). Noob sandwich dials are really good as always and keep the best option at this moment. Regarding sausage dials, as above commented, Noob has improved the accuracy but we have not yet info to make a wise decision.
Anyway when Noob applies the new V4 caseset in every model and corrects the shape of the CG lever they will be not easily surpassed.
IMO Noob V4 caseset is the best current option and a sure value

KW-V6Fac
New KW Luminor 44mm caseset is still a bit unknown, the shape and finish are really promising, CG is at the same level as others competitors and the more evident flaws remains being the lugs holes position a bit higher than correct one.
We would need to get more info about these new KW cases and their evolution in order to make a decision but they will be a serious competitor. Anyway this new KW caseset is better than “old” Noob V3 IMO.


As you can see, very good moves from makers and really promising future, but actually bad moment to make a decision about a Luminor 44mm

ALE
 

umaxim

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this is some great info thanks Ale!

What's the situation 47mm cases, do you know? Thank you!


There are some points to be clarified about this matter

From the end of 2014 and starting 2015, H maker and KW released new improved Luminor 44mm casesets. Noob was already applying a new caseset called V4 but only in the PAM 390 model.

H maker
H maker new caseset has an impressive finish, accurate shape, and the appearance is very good, but the edges are really sharp and to get complete accuracy they need to be rounded. The bezel profile is also a bit inaccurate because the transition edge is sharper too and the basement seems a bit higher than gen (this height is enhanced by the sharp edge and the bezel profile seems a bit weird). The crown is “slim” and accurate. H maker CG is now almost at the same level as Noob. The main problem at this moment is that H maker is using old and new parts mixed in the new casesets and the production is also a bit inconsistent regarding quality. Maybe in the near future all that will be corrected and we will be able to enjoy completely these nice casesets. Although the inaccuracies above commented the caseset is really nice and the appearance is awesome. We can say that this new H maker caseset is better than “old” Noob V3
In relation to dials, sandwich dials are still better in Noob (more accurate and deeper) but in sausage dials H maker has introduced important improvements and the appearance is more gen-like than older versions. The lume structure is not yet like gen (deep cavities filled by lume material which remains flat and a bit recessed) but the appearance is more gen-like than before. Without a loupe you can be fooled by the rep sausage dial. Anyway Noob is also working in those sausage dials and has also improved the quality. We would need more info about these dials to make a decision

Noob
Noob V3 caseset is already surpassed IMO by new H maker and new KW, and mainly by the new Noob V4. Noob V4 caseset has accurate shape and the finish is very good as usually, bezel is accurate like in old V3 and the lugs and lugs insertion to the mid case are completely improved. Noob has introduced a new and nice “slim” crown, has improved the bevelled of the crystals, has even improved the CG and the CG pin and some units feature an improved CG lever shape (this shape is still a bit inaccurate and it is not applied in all units). Noob sandwich dials are really good as always and keep the best option at this moment. Regarding sausage dials, as above commented, Noob has improved the accuracy but we have not yet info to make a wise decision.
Anyway when Noob applies the new V4 caseset in every model and corrects the shape of the CG lever they will be not easily surpassed.
IMO Noob V4 caseset is the best current option and a sure value

KW-V6Fac
New KW Luminor 44mm caseset is still a bit unknown, the shape and finish are really promising, CG is at the same level as others competitors and the more evident flaws remains being the lugs holes position a bit higher than correct one.
We would need to get more info about these new KW cases and their evolution in order to make a decision but they will be a serious competitor. Anyway this new KW caseset is better than “old” Noob V3 IMO.


As you can see, very good moves from makers and really promising future, but actually bad moment to make a decision about a Luminor 44mm

ALE
 

dood

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Is there any list/info on which specific 44m PAM models have the noob v4 and new H case sets?
 

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Noob V4 : only PAM390HFactory : All the last version of the manual Luminor 44mm. New HF dials are simply amazing! Quality of the lume application is as per gen. I know they aslo offer this new case in DLC version as there is a "new" PAM360 from HF.
 

intosh

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Noob V4 : only PAM390HFactory : All the last version of the manual Luminor 44mm. New HF dials are simply amazing! Quality of the lume application is as per gen. I know they aslo offer this new case in DLC version as there is a "new" PAM360 from HF.


Yeah I've got to agree, the lumes and dials are great , I've seen the recent DLC by H fac the color seems to be lighter compared to the older ones.
 

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Anyone with hands on experience on the new 088 dial from H factory?