crown problem

[tonywatches]

I just relumed my 111, (asian 6947)
and the time i thought i was finished, the crown didn't get to the changing time position. I removed again the crown guard, opened the back, and tryied to remove the crown to re-position it.
I tryied 1,5 turns to unlock the crown, 2,5 turns but still nothing.. It stuck on the winding position, and im afraid to apply too much power cause i think i will bend the crown
any suggestions?

 

[Bonesey]

Sounds like you have un screwed the stem release to far and the keyless works has become broken. You will need to remove the hands and dial to fix it.

 

[tonywatches]

crap!
the thing is that i tested the crown by changine time, before closing up everything and it seemed ok!
now, as an amateur can i repair the damage? i mean ok i will remove hands/dial. then what?

 

[Bonesey]

I can't find it right now, but it should be in this forum.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/forumdisplay.php/tutorials-50

 

[tonywatches]

oops.. how i will remove hands/dial when i cannot remove the crown!!?

 

[tonywatches]

thx Bonesey

 

[Bonesey]

hmm.... can always PM a watchsmith to see if they can help.

 

[tonywatches]

close to destruction

i think as far as i can go..
is it something possible from this step, or i have to go deeper? the keyless is out, crown still stuck on winding position.. :wyliehelp:

 

[ALE7575]

Try to consult goin6633 by PM
Tell him I'm sending you

ALE

 

[PolonusTM]

IF setting lever screw is removed or it seems it doesn't get engaged anymore - You can try to insert very small piece of flat steel stripe to further depress setting lever and to release winding stem. Look at the schematic:
http://www.eta.ch/swisslab/6497/6947.html

This is the part from dial point of view:

Yellow arrows show possible gaps where to insert tiny metal strip to release stem (probably the top one is the best):

 

[tonywatches]

Thats terrific info, will try that later..
Sorry about my English terms but I was meaning setting lever screw is out.

 

[tonywatches]

so after 4 hours over the watch, is NOT done yet..
the little trick with the small piece of steel to release the stem didn't worked out, so i desided to rip apart 80% of the mechanism..
Miraculously and with the help of great eta site i did it without destroying the mechanism. I did release the stem, i did re-installed all parts, however, winding the watch DOESN'T work now!!! Changing time, releasing stem is OK, but it doesn't winds up.. Its possible to wind it manually from the big wheel that charges the mechanism but not from the crown itself, so there shouldn't be a big problem..

 

[marlin2284]

Try to reinsert the set lever screw into the set lever, if it engages the thread turn it once or twice until you feel it has threaded, then press down on it and it should disengage the stem and crown.

If this doesn't work you will have to remove the hands and dial to access the front side of the movement. If you can not thread in the set lever screw, even if you manage to somehow remove the stem and crown, the set lever may have come loose and it will be very difficult, if not impossible to thread the set lever screw. Another scenario is that it may have disengaged from the jumper, not allowing you to go from winding to setting. Hopefully the dial has not allowed the set lever to disengage.

Best of luck..

 

[tonywatches]

Try to reinsert the set lever screw into the set lever, if it engages the thread turn it once or twice until you feel it has threaded, then press down on it and it should disengage the stem and crown.

If this doesn't work you will have to remove the hands and dial to access the front side of the movement. If you can not thread in the set lever screw, even if you manage to somehow remove the stem and crown, the set lever may have come loose and it will be very difficult, if not impossible to thread the set lever screw. Another scenario is that it may have disengaged from the jumper, not allowing you to go from winding to setting. Hopefully the dial has not allowed the set lever to disengage.

Best of luck..

These are done, lever is free, crown does move to setting and winding position no problems.
My new problem is that this wheel (first on the stem) as I understand doesn't engage with the wheel chain to move them so i can wind the watch..
Is it wrong installation or what?

 

[marlin2284]

Seems something is jammed up in there. Most likely the set lever has come loose from the jumper, you should never try to engage the set lever without the screw in. The set lever is under tension from the jumper and if you try to engage it without the set screw to hold it in place it will come loose. At this point you probably have to remove the hands and dial to reseat the set lever.

 

[tonywatches]

you have got to be kidding me!

looks the watch want to tease me or something..
FIXED crown problem,
FIXED winding problem,
NEW problem, seconds don't work, but watch keeps good time!
:frusty: