Torro's CG levers come long which is nice but a pain to find the "right" length where you still get the correct snap and not put too much pressure on the stem and keyless works. Gen crowns can be turned with the lever engaged, and the snap is smooth and not too loud. It took about an hour and a half to find the right length for my lever. I choose not to make mine too tight since the last thing you want to do is put too much pressure on the crown and snap the stem, which would suck, and if you want a little tighter snap you can add a thicker gasket to the crown.