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CROWN GUARD FOR PAM 1085
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papabear244
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I looked for a crown guard for the longest time and tried trusty time too. No luck. I went through a bunch of cheap to high priced ones with no luck.
Now, to be honest, your nest nest is probably the parts section of HF. You might lick out there.
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Now, to be honest, your nest nest is probably the parts section of HF. You might lick out there.
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I have a pam 111 noob v12 and the crown guard is much better, that of the HWF seems a bit fake to me (not completely fake). In my noob you really feel that it goes to push and leverage to close while with the hwf it pushes a little but does not leverage to close. I add that the noob in general is another experience, even the movement on loading gives another sensation.
I understood your situation.
Of course, the tightness and feel of the CG lever snapping in is a rather subjective feeling, but the core of your discontent is understandable.
Also, it is interesting to hear from others about the tightness of the closing of the CG lever to understand if this is your case, or a general disadvantage of the HWF.
However, there are several important aspects to keep in mind when implementing your replacement plan:
- Often it all depends on a particular specimen, there are no standards, all my hand wind pams snap in slightly differently, with different density, and different efforts at different phases, even if in general, this is the feeling and the pressure density I can assess as satisfactory, in accordance with my personal sense of self.
- It should be understood that the "pressure density" depends not only on the specific CG, but also on the position of the tube screw (if the HWF uses an aint tube, such as NOOB)
- Further, you should understand that the CG must match the case in all dimensions, and each factory has the specifics of the shape of the case and CG, respectively. Often, when replacing, they may not adhere tightly to the case, due to the different "roundness" of the plane in accordance with the rounding of the pillow, the thickness of the base may differ, leaving an inappropriate gap in the thickness difference between the case and the base, etc., therefore buying from the CG side , you must be prepared for the need to optimize its shape.
Simply put, if the NOOB snaps into place nicely, but the HWF does not, it does not mean at all that if you put the NOOB CG on the HWF watch, the effect will be the same.
Of course, the tightness and feel of the CG lever snapping in is a rather subjective feeling, but the core of your discontent is understandable.
Also, it is interesting to hear from others about the tightness of the closing of the CG lever to understand if this is your case, or a general disadvantage of the HWF.
However, there are several important aspects to keep in mind when implementing your replacement plan:
- Often it all depends on a particular specimen, there are no standards, all my hand wind pams snap in slightly differently, with different density, and different efforts at different phases, even if in general, this is the feeling and the pressure density I can assess as satisfactory, in accordance with my personal sense of self.
- It should be understood that the "pressure density" depends not only on the specific CG, but also on the position of the tube screw (if the HWF uses an aint tube, such as NOOB)
- Further, you should understand that the CG must match the case in all dimensions, and each factory has the specifics of the shape of the case and CG, respectively. Often, when replacing, they may not adhere tightly to the case, due to the different "roundness" of the plane in accordance with the rounding of the pillow, the thickness of the base may differ, leaving an inappropriate gap in the thickness difference between the case and the base, etc., therefore buying from the CG side , you must be prepared for the need to optimize its shape.
Simply put, if the NOOB snaps into place nicely, but the HWF does not, it does not mean at all that if you put the NOOB CG on the HWF watch, the effect will be the same.
Well what to say,
n a simple post you gave me all the answers to the questions I had in my head, thanks you are always enlightening and technical (I follow you in the various posts).
I am really happy with your explanation because it was the idea that I had made based on the feelings (not for my competence). The sensation of greater precision of the lever in my opinion is given more to the proximity of the lever, or rather the fulcrum of the lever, which also allows the thrust to be firmly closed and the lever remains well adherent to the crown guard bezel. In the HWF in my opinion it is more distant and cannot push as much as it has to.
When my pam 111 returns (from the watchmaker for waterproofing) I will try to study and add some information.
Thanks again for your analysis.
n a simple post you gave me all the answers to the questions I had in my head, thanks you are always enlightening and technical (I follow you in the various posts).
I am really happy with your explanation because it was the idea that I had made based on the feelings (not for my competence). The sensation of greater precision of the lever in my opinion is given more to the proximity of the lever, or rather the fulcrum of the lever, which also allows the thrust to be firmly closed and the lever remains well adherent to the crown guard bezel. In the HWF in my opinion it is more distant and cannot push as much as it has to.
When my pam 111 returns (from the watchmaker for waterproofing) I will try to study and add some information.
Thanks again for your analysis.
papabear244
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Ellocity, can you tell us if the crown on the HWF is spring loaded? Do you feel it bounce back a little bit when you press it with your finger? I know the noob does, as would be expected.
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papabear244
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Ok at least they did not cheapen out in that aspect. Say, have you tried taking off the noob CG and placing it on the HWF? And the other way around as well?
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It will be a test that I will do as soon as my watch returns to the watchmaker for the waterproof, I will update you. I add another information, I have also studied my 682 zf (42mm) and that too the lever closes much better the thrust starts when the lever is up.
So I tried the crown guard swap between 1085 HWF and 111 Noob v11. The lever mounts and pushes slightly more. At this point the problem is the crown too much inside (we talk about very little) and since I am very picky I send to my watchmaker JD and I go to the bottom of this story. Sorry for my English. Cheers
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papabear244
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For anyone who cares, this is what a Noob crown assembly look like. There is a hex lug screwed to the stem, and there is a “sheath” that slides up and down and envelops the spring. If the sheath is not fully pressed into the crown, you might end up with a case of wobbly crown.
If a crown is spring loaded, you should notice a delay between when you push the crown and hear the click (from setting to winding position).
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If a crown is spring loaded, you should notice a delay between when you push the crown and hear the click (from setting to winding position).
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For anyone who cares, this is what a Noob crown assembly look like. There is a hex lug screwed to the stem, and there is a “sheath” that slides up and down and envelops the spring. If the sheath is not fully pressed into the crown, you might end up with a case of wobbly crown.
If a crown is spring loaded, you should notice a delay between when you push the crown and hear the click (from setting to winding position).
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Thanks for sharing the photo and the explanation papabear244 , will pushing down the sheath fix a wobbly crown in place? Is there any additional step to tighten it to the crown?
papabear244
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I applied a bit of loctite blue around the “sheath” or “sliding tube” before pushing it into the crown because I noticed after a few pulls it became loose again. Now it’s good. I know it’s supposed to be for threads but somehow it helped.
Mind you, a little goes a long way.
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madcatlancelot
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thank you for the tips, I found out that another reason why the stem is wobbly is because the spring is missing. 
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papabear244
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I never felt the need for a spring loaded crown tbh. My Pam homages all use a simple screw on crown and they work fine.
Maybe you can find a replacement spring at your local watchmaker.
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Maybe you can find a replacement spring at your local watchmaker.
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