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Critique my choice please

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d4m.test

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If you want to know everything there is to know about different versions, you gotta read this thread first:

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/reference-pam-review-107365

I'll be nice and copy/paste some pertinent info for you:
The H maker models are very good Super reps too, but Noob is superior due to some differences as follows:
- Noob has better creamish colour and enbossed inscriptions on dial.
- Noob has suoerior Sandwich dial with deepest markers.
- The current Noob crystal quality and AR are similar if no better than H maker (in old versions H maker was superior).
- Cannon pinion in last version of Noob is more flattened and polished and, therefore, better than H maker CP.
- Better Noob Crown Guard (square inner edges and finish)
- Swan Neck spring and screw continues being clearly superior in H maker.
- H maker has worse finish in movement wheels and worse head shape of screws.
- H maker has printed OFFICINA PANERAI on bridges instead of engraved like in Noob and gen
 

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You can get the same one here http://www.trwatch.com/product_info.php?products_id=894 It's a great version, I have one as my daily beater and I never notice any differences between this and V3. For most people it's not worth the huge price difference. The lume on this version is amazing, brighter than my noob, actually none of my other superlumed reps surpass it.
 

jlla84

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So difficult... Also, just saw a 111 with Swiss movement in used section, $400...

Thoughts ?
 

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So difficult... Also, just saw a 111 with Swiss movement in used section, $400...

Thoughts ?

The asian 6497 is already a workhorse, imho i dont think you need to spend more dough on a swiss. Get the noob v3. 40 more bucks to get a more accurate one seems fair.
 

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I have the 111N H-Maker. I've held a Noob-maker in my hands, side by side with my H-maker.

The differences between the H-Maker and the Noob are really small. Loupe stuff. Yes, all the differences above are true. But without the two side by side, or without a PAM expert, you'd never notice the differences - eg. crown guard sharp margins, cannon pin, dial print colour. Even the engraved vs printed blue OFFICINE PANERAI on the movment bridge is tough to tell the difference without a loupe.

The MAIN difference I would consider paying the extra $$$ for, is that the H-Maker above has an 18000bph movement, and the Noob a 21600bph movement. This is unfortunately for me, an obvious difference - the H-Maker has a more obvious tick on the second hand. If held next to a gen PAM, or someone who knows PAMs sees it, its a giveaway that its a rep. Then again, a PAM afficionado would know your Noob is a rep just looking at the swan neck or incabloc.

The cheapest Noob I could find was $268. The cheapest H-Maker I could find was that one Smokie quoted above from Trevor for $158 (in fact, it was Smokie who pointed me towards it on my very first thread). So for me, it was a $110 difference. And I didn't feel that another $110 was justified for the Noob's improvements. I put the savings into getting a better Hublot.

PS you left out above that the H-maker crown is more accurate to gen than Noob, so pros and cons to both.

PPS I also recently held a PAM177 gen in my hands and besides the titanium vs steel of the 111, I found it sooooo close to the H-maker side by side.

Bottom line - all the differences besides the 18000bph vs 21600bph quoted above amount to REALLY small things that are not noticeable unless you are actively looking for them. If 1 in 100 people know what Panerai is, 1 in 1000 may know what model you have, and 1 in 10,000 may be able to tell its a rep. So - up to you if the movement speed is worth the extra $110.
 

jlla84

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i just read through the pam111 gen vs h vs n comparison, im going with the noob...
 

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Hi Jlla84

I think you are looking for a justification of your (cheap) choice instead of a cristicism of your choice as you are saying in the title.

Fortunately you have some answers of above members, all them are right, because it is a personal taste matter or personal point of view.

All is said in the PAM GUIDE, which you surely have already read.
Anyway, below a little summary for you:

-If you are searching the best quality and accuracy to the gen, without price considerations: go to Noob V3
-If you consider you will be happy with a less expensive replica, with some little flaws, almost no noticeable but existent, and more 85% like a Noob one, go to H maker.
- Swiss movement: never

Now, UP TO YOU

Read again the PAM GUIDE you will see everything more clear

ALE
 

ALE7575

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cheap choice?

I wrote (cheap) choice talking about H maker

I put my post before reading yours... LOL... (see the time)

Noob is a very good choice, the best without price consideration

ALE
 

jlla84

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lolololol....ya... the pam111 comparison thread tells all.... easy choice to go noob after seeing it...
 

jlla84

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o... & v3 is best of the noobs?

some say 111 noob transparent ar best edition...?

still v3? 258 vs 278....explain difference?
 

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All explained by a PM but, I repeat ,you shoud read more about replicas and watches.

Please don't bear in mind writen in dealer catalogues, usually the new rep is the best one, but the catalogue doesn't change !!!! almost all the reps are the best ones, even replicas from several years ago..... LOL....

You must decide and choos by yourself
Of course we are here to help you and mainly PCTeam members, myself included, but the last decision shoul be YOURS !!

ALE