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Clone 3135 into a Genuine case meant for 3035

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Not understanding the subtle differences in date indicator ring seating size (parts# 5098 vs 600) and internal case design, i made the mistake of attempting to fit a clone 3135 movement into a genuine 15053 case meant for a 3035. i've read around after my failed the attempt and saw some threads documenting these minor difference in case dimensions and date indicator seating rings for both movements.

has anyone been able to use a 3135 clone in a 3035 case and had the appropriate stem height and dial seating for it to function appropriately?

what i observed is the date indicator ring on the clone 3135 is preventing the movement from properly fitting the case to allow the dial to fit flush on it's rehaut/dial seat. this not only prevents the movement securing screws from properly being slotted in the case but it also prevents the proper stem height.

my experience is limited to the 15053 case design (assuming it's the same for all 3035 designed cases).

i believe my only reasonable options are:

1.) modify the case to allow 0.5-1mm deeper fitment by sanding down the inner case seat which is preventing the movement from fitting deeper in the case (before the dial seat)-->possibly use a 28mm dial with sandpaper or dremel disk
2.) modify the date indicator ring on the clone 3135-->would rather not attempt to take the movement apart and destroy it
3.) dump $2000k on a 3035 movement :(
4.) build an ETA setup and clip the dial feet-->would rather not do this but it is a last resort

i do love the vintage date font on the 3035 date wheels and the gen with serifs is really appealing. this would all be for not on the 3135 date wheels i know of. i have seen open 6 and 9 3135 date wheels going for $300 on the 'bay but that's just too much to spend on a date wheel just for the font in my book. i'd rather benefit from a build using the clone 3135 and retaining the dial feet, gen hands, and keep it at a relatively affordable price point. the ETA is a final option.
 
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I'm in similar shoes, and went with option 4, but I'd still love to find a way to fit a clone 3135 to a gen 3035 case.
As of my current understanding this can not be done - I'm having a hard time accepting that even though I haven't found any evidence on someone being successful.

I'm comfortable tearing down/reassembling a movement and I'd rather work on the clone 3135 than the gen case.
What's the point in preserving dial feet when you ruin a gen case? (Option 1 is out of question IMO, option 3 is too rich).

It would be great to see spec sheets on 3035 and 3135 movements that show stem heights, etc.
 

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My suggestion would be to buy a 15200 Date case on ebay, and then install your SH3135 and Date dial in it
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-RO...9687412?hash=item2f3a3000f4:g:2vMAAOSwAqhdumR f
Dial feet are in the same location for the two movements 3035 and 3135 although they might be slightly longer for the 3035 dials. The hand sizes are the same.
LOL, there are so many Date cases on ebay because people steal the 3135 movements out of them and use them in another watch. Kind of like people who steal a 1575 movt out of a 1500 Date and use it to build a 1680 sub.
 

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My suggestion would be to buy a 15200 Date case on ebay, and then install your SH3135 and Date dial in it
https://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-RO...9687412?hash=item2f3a3000f4:g:2vMAAOSwAqhdumR f
Dial feet are in the same location for the two movements 3035 and 3135 although they might be slightly longer for the 3035 dials. The hand sizes are the same.
LOL, there are so many Date cases on ebay because people steal the 3135 movements out of them and use them in another watch. Kind of like people who steal a 1575 movt out of a 1500 Date and use it to build a 1680 sub.

Lol! This is exactly what I did and from the same guy from NY. He had a 115210 with everything but the movement...well he was selling it separately. I picked it up with the bracelet. I probably paid too much, but he gave me a deal for the pair. I haven’t decided if I want to keep or sell, but it’d be for about $2200 for the price in parts with the clone 3135.

Here it is on a Crown and Buckle Chevron strap. Along with the 15053 I ended up outfitting with a grnuine 3035. It was not cheap :(

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There are some modders on this forum that do lathe work and can accurately machine your case to fit a 3135. I think that would be a better option than sanding.
 

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There are some modders on this forum that do lathe work and can accurately machine your case to fit a 3135. I think that would be a better option than sanding.

I agree 100%. It needs to be machined out with a lathe.

It’s too bad though. The “lip” is so very minor but significant enough to prevent the clone to be used in the case.


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I agree 100%. It needs to be machined out with a lathe.

It’s too bad though. The “lip” is so very minor but significant enough to prevent the clone to be used in the case.


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Where are you located?
I'M working with CNC lathes and made some stuff for manodeoro ...but I'm in EU.
 

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Phong might be able to get it done- he took a 16000 DJ case and modded it for me to fit a 1556 DD movement in it so that I could build a SS DD.
 

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Phong might be able to get it done- he took a 16000 DJ case and modded it for me to fit a 1556 DD movement in it so that I could build a SS DD.

That is super cool!
Holler at me if you’re ever tired of it ????


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Hello, I hope someone can help as I am new to this forum, is it possible to put an acrylic crystal from a 160xx series Rolex on a 162xx series? Would I need to use a different bezel? I have searched everywhere and can’t find the answer. Please help. Thank you
 

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Hello, I hope someone can help as I am new to this forum, is it possible to put an acrylic crystal from a 160xx series Rolex on a 162xx series? Would I need to use a different bezel? I have searched everywhere and can’t find the answer. Please help. Thank you

All things considered, if you have bezels with a Plexi installed already on a watch for these DJ cases, they theoretically should all be compatible.

That said, all builds and rep vs gen are different, so there is no 1 answer. Also, the 5 digit DJ came with both or can be fit with both Plexi and sapphire, so photos and more of a description is needed to help give the appropriate advice.


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Thank you for the response, I have a gen 16233 case which had a sapphire and I would like to change it to a acrylic, is it possible and what model acrylic would be best
 

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Thank you for the response, I have a gen 16233 case which had a sapphire and I would like to change it to a acrylic, is it possible and what model acrylic would be best.
 

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Hello, I hope someone can help as I am new to this forum, is it possible to put an acrylic crystal from a 160xx series Rolex on a 162xx series? Would I need to use a different bezel? I have searched everywhere and can’t find the answer. Please help. Thank you

All things considered, if you have bezels with a Plexi installed already on a watch for these DJ cases, they theoretically should all be compatible.

That said, all builds and rep vs gen are different, so there is no 1 answer. Also, the 5 digit DJ came with both or can be fit with both Plexi and sapphire, so photos and more of a description is needed to help give the appropriate advice.


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Tapatalk can be so finicky. Strange double post.

The bezels are most likely not compatible. The bezels that fit sapphire are thicker (smaller internal diameter) than the bezels for Plexi (wider internal diameter).

The Plexi you are after is the 25-135.


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hidden impact I’ve been talking to some one at Raffles, trying to work out another build I’d like to do with a clone 3135 movement, (They say it won’t work in their case. I also asked is acrylic will work on a case. No again. :(

im just wondering, would I be better to get a noob watch? of course I would be missing the build but the changes with gen part seem to be better odds with the noob. Am I right to think the raffles details are way off from gen and easily spotted for fake. For roughly the same price I can get the most accurate example for the noob or other replica factory. Am I missing something? Thanks hidden
 

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hidden impact 1 last question , if gen Rolex quality is 10 and noob is 8.5 (hope you seen one) what would you rate the raffles quality at? Mainly worried about the presidential bracelet. :)