Can someone tell me whyJosh's 036 is better than Ruby's 036?

[d4m.test]

So...a pam expert i know told me that the font of Luminor Panerai on the dial is too small on
Ruby's version but is good on Josh's...I've been perusing both their sites....and because of angles, etc...
i can't see the difference in the watch....can someone explain this to me and show me better pics to compare...

thx

 

[watchlover]

That's a good point... anyone?

 

[hk45ca]

well i am certainly no font expert and they look the same to me except that joshua's has a recessed cannon pin and is more expensive. maybe some of the font experts will weigh in on this and give us a answer.

 

[watchlover]

well i am certainly no font expert and they look the same to me except that joshua's has a recessed cannon pin and is more expensive. maybe some of the font experts will weigh in on this and give us a answer.

Did you just say recessed? :shock:

hmm. But that could be easily fixed I guess.. the dial is a different story however.

Would our experts here kindly give us a hand (or an eye for this matter) :wink:

 

[hk45ca]

well i am certainly no font expert and they look the same to me except that joshua's has a recessed cannon pin and is more expensive. maybe some of the font experts will weigh in on this and give us a answer.

Did you just say recessed? :shock:

hmm. But that could be easily fixed I guess.. the dial is a different story however.

Would our experts here kindly give us a hand (or an eye for this matter) :wink:

i take that back. i enlarged the picture in photoshop and what i thought i was seeing as recessed pin i beleive is the edge of the pin head shineing and not the edge of the hole. some times it is so hard to tell when we are only looking at pictures.

they look the same to me. we need some of the experts! we have some guys that are on that font thing!!! thank god! lol :lol:

 

[hooligan]

I am the guilty party that mentioned that to DHK.

Alas, it's true. On Ruby's dial the "Marina Militare" printing is noticeably smaller than the "Luminor Panerai" printing. On Josh's dials, the "Marina Militare" print is of equal size to the "Luminor Panerai" printing. Other than the dial print (I think Ruby's is just an older version of the watch), I think they are exactly the same. Let me just further state that these cases are fantastic, fat crown, thick CG, correct engravings on the back of the case, NOT on the caseback, etc.

Having said that, Ruby's version is a lot less money. :wink:

p.s. I am *certainly* no expert. I leave that distinction to Enzo, Babola, Cucumber_Jones, BBB, etc.

 

[mumum]

I would be intersted too. josh pan rep looks great. Any idea how thes compare to Davidsen pan? Thanks.

 

[hooligan]

Well, Davidsen doesn't offer an 036 at the moment, so there is no comparison. If you're talking about how their PAMs compare IN GENERAL, here is how I see it.

Davidsen pros:
No cannon pin issue
SuperLume
Ability to "customize" your watch
Offers some models that NO ONE else offers

Joshua pros:
Less money upfront
More correct dial fonts in most cases
Offers some models that Davidsen doesn't

Davidsen cons:
More money upfront (but you don't need to "mod" as many things)
Less correct dial fonts in most cases

Joshua cons:
Most models have cannon pin problem and weak lume that will cost money to fix (usually ends up costing more than one of Davidsen's, provided it's a model that they both offer)

YMMV

I have bought watches from both dealers and I think they are both fantastic. You really can't go wrong either way.

This is one of the exceptions to the rule "pick your dealer and then pick your watch". In this case, I would reverse it -- "pick your watch and then pick your dealer". What model you're after may well determine who you buy from as the other may not offer it.

I hope that helps.

EDIT -- kan't speel

 

[pugwash]

This is one of the exceptions to the rule "pick your dealer and then pick your watch". In this case, I would reverse it -- "pick your watch and then pick your dealer". What model your after may well determine who you buy from as the other may not offer it.

Once again, I always thought picking your dealer before you pick your watch was a stupid idea.

 

[seraphe]

Another thing I noticed is that for Davidsen's you won't be able to fit in SS bracelet. At least that's the case for me. Anyone else has the same issue?

 

[madonna]

Here is a picture the dial on my 036 from Ruby.

Tried to take it as "straight on" as I could, to be able to line up everything. (I know the lightening sucks, will try to create a light-tent this weekend)

The "correct" cannon pin does not show in this pic, but can promise that it is NOT recessed.

I must admit I have problems seeing a big size difference between the "Marina Militare" printing and the "Luminor Panerai" printing.

All you "font-guru's" please comment

 

[hk45ca]

This is one of the exceptions to the rule "pick your dealer and then pick your watch". In this case, I would reverse it -- "pick your watch and then pick your dealer". What model your after may well determine who you buy from as the other may not offer it.

Once again, I always thought picking your dealer before you pick your watch was a stupid idea.

yes, if we had some dealers that weren't good or didn't stand behind their products i could understand that saying but thank goodness that isn't the case for us.

i find the version of the watch that i like the best and i buy it!

@pug, i am still bidding on orange monsters!

 

[hooligan]

@ madonna -- Yours looks good. Mine is quite different, perhaps I was just unlucky and got one of Ruby's old stock items? How long ago did you purchase yours?

You can see it in this picture from Ruby's for sale thread, notice the difference in the font sizes:

Just to reiterate, I'm not bashing Ruby at all. I knew of this issue before I bought the watch and I'm 100% satisfied with Ruby's service, as always.

 

[madonna]

@peepshow.

Nice to hear that it is not my eyes that are not able to see the "errors"

I ordered the 036 around 18 December , and Ruby shipped about one week after. (She had to track down some special order "stuff" for my wife, so needed a little extra time for that).

So then I guess I have no reason to try to change this dial ? ( Except it really should be relumed with C3, hands are ok, but dial is weak)

 

[d4m.test]

Thanks guys for the input and feedback..This forum never ceases to amaze me on
how involved everyone is!!

Anyways...I will be buying the 036 soon and will make sure the font is good from whoever
i get it from...

By the way...besides the dial font...are there any other differences? do both have thick crowns, etc...?

 

[gioarmani7428]

Thanks guys for the input and feedback..This forum never ceases to amaze me on
how involved everyone is!!

Very true.

 

[hooligan]

Everything else *appears* to be the same, DHK, between Ruby's and Josh's offerings. I don't know becuase I haven't seen both in the flesh.

 

[babola]

Ditto...

Ruby's 036 comes with slightly 'incorrect dial' with Luminor Panerai txt in smaller font than Marina Militare, and positioned closer to the centre pin than it is on a gen. Also, the dial on Ruby's come in slightly greenish colored indices, much sloser to C5 than C1/C3. Numerals and seconds subdial markings are a tad off on Ruby's as well.

Joshua's seems to have fixed those few small "issues".

Let's not forget that DSN's will be the only 036 rep with the correct T Swiss T dial (gen 036 came with Tritium dial) and the correct 3rd number (serial) engraved on the bottom right corner on back of the case.

cheers

babola

 

[hooligan]

There you have it. A real expert chimes in. I hadn't even noticed the Marina Militare printing was too close to the center (although I did notice the difference in the subdials, I just didn't know which one was more correct ).

Babola, your eye for detail continues to amaze. Thanks!

 

[d4m.test]

Excellent facts. I've been waiting and waiting for Davidsen to correct his dials. He fixed the font but the indices are too close to the edge (applies to his new 177h, 055, 082). I don't know if he'll ever fix the dial given he's done a lot on the font. My strategy is buy Davidsen's watch and buy a replacement dial from other dealer and relume it. Watch cost $280 (using a base dial watch as an example), dial+relume cost ~$100. It's not too bad. Non-davidsen dial, I heard, is a tiny bit smaller. But it shouldn't be a problem (no gap) as I was told.

Well, Davidsen doesn't offer an 036 at the moment, so there is no comparison. If you're talking about how their PAMs compare IN GENERAL, here is how I see it.

Davidsen pros:
No cannon pin issue
SuperLume
Ability to "customize" your watch
Offers some models that NO ONE else offers

Joshua pros:
Less money upfront
More correct dial fonts in most cases
Offers some models that Davidsen doesn't

Davidsen cons:
More money upfront (but you don't need to "mod" as many things)
Less correct dial fonts in most cases

Joshua cons:
Most models have cannon pin problem and weak lume that will cost money to fix (usually ends up costing more than one of Davidsen's, provided it's a model that they both offer)

YMMV

I have bought watches from both dealers and I think they are both fantastic. You really can't go wrong either way.

This is one of the exceptions to the rule "pick your dealer and then pick your watch". In this case, I would reverse it -- "pick your watch and then pick your dealer". What model you're after may well determine who you buy from as the other may not offer it.

I hope that helps.

EDIT -- kan't speel