Burned - Rolex or "Rolex"?

[falcon93si]

Long time lurker, first time poster. Hi everyone!

I recently found the following watch on an auction, and I'm wondering if there are any definitive signs as to whether it is (was) a genuine Rolex, or if this is actually a replica that was involved in (what I assume was) a fire. The auction house didn't send me a picture of the inside of the cover, unfortunately.

If anyone could tell the difference, I figured this community would be able to. What are your thoughts?

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[beanvatan]

I think this is a replica because the shape of the movement is not accurate for the model. If the watch is vintage, I can see there may be doubt about its legitimacy. However, because of the hidden clasp, it's not genuine. The hidden clasp indicates that the watch is a newer Datejust model post-2005 to 2020, powered by a famous 3135 movement with a free-sprung balance. The shape of the movement will look different as well.

 

[Reaps]

Trying to determine if this was a real or a fake is lowkey impossible unless that movement is disassembled piece by piece.

 

[Karbon74]

if it is sold super cheap like 50$, the case might be a good salvage project

 

[falcon93si]

Thanks for the input here, guys! It sold for $800 . Didn't touch it.

 

[LongyUK]

Thanks for the input here, guys! It sold for $800 . Didn't touch it.

What the what??? Are we missing something?

 

[BartSimpson]

definitly a fake. SEL and this kind of movement does not match

 

[BartSimpson]

ok, would not even have had to look at this, the crown on the dial is a dead give away....

 

[Rx4Time]

There's a dead giveaway on the bridge. There are two levers. The genuine does not use these type of levers for adjustment and only has one forward protruding. Also notice to the right of the balance there's a plus and minus with dashes. This was some type of dg2813 most likely.

 

[BartSimpson]

actually you must have never seen a gen if you assume this piece is anything but Fake... I am not saying Rep because it is soo bad

 

[snaes]

This poor thing went from China straight to the gates of hell and back

 

[Nickyan]

So if I want to sell my rep for profit, I must burn it beyond recognition.