BP Pam 111 R- series

[PolonusTM]

Since no one noticed, there apparently was small release of Pam 111 from BP (along with Pam 005) in December 2021.

I ordered 111 and I got it delivered few days ago. Just some photos:

 

[shyreplover]

Nice buy. Strap looks good. Is that a pointy micro adjustment screw in swan neck? CP looks good. Beveled crown guard pin... is it supposed to be beveled? The 3 is better than HWF

 

[ellocity]

... this is work for KOT1917 ALE7575

 

[donkacper]

... this is work for KOT1917 ALE7575

PolonusTM is quite an expert himself, tell us your impression pls, pics do not tell the whole truth.....

 

[ladygeek]

Could this actually be a Noob? It's similar to what the TDs are currently selling for the Pam111. ... It seems to have the tall O for LUMINOR.

 

[PolonusTM]

my observations are:

- the movement seems a little bit better, since sloped polished edges on winding cogs are smaller, more like per gen.
- beveled and polished crown guard pin - it was definitely correct in older releases of genuine PAM 111 and I saw examples of it on P-series, it is easy to observer on i.e. chrono24. I think some sellers are brushing the top surface of crown guard to "refresh" it prior sale - sanding down beveled edges and removing the top polish...
- the is "traditional" difference between luminova on hands when comparing to dial (which is darker). Something new, which is not visible on photos - the lume on dial is more "creamy" than usual brutal-like-green luminova on arabic digits.
- the strap is 3rd party; the one delivered with rep is of rep-OK quality and left in a drawer
- the tall-O character on dial was almost OK on PAM 111 N-series. I can live with it
- lug shape is incorrect, the top curve is different (but I can live with it, too):

 

[PolonusTM]

I think that after raids - some parts from "fallen" manufacturers hit the market and others, who survived raids, just put them together and release watches on market. If it is mostly Noob, then fine - last chance to buy Noob quality "post mortal" way ;D

 

[ellocity]

oh oh yes donkacper the are professors here, I think you also know something about PAM

great great review PolonusTM

thanks

 

[ALE7575]

Great review PolonusTM and nice to see you here
The watch looks like a Noob with a transition caseset V3 to V4. Typical Noob CG lever and "fat" crown

It looks like Perfect Clones is releasing some models with Noob parts calling them BP. It is a similar thing with PAM 005 and PAM 911:
https://www.pfc8188.com/0-0-0-0-pn00...ck-a-6497.html
https://www.pfc8188.com/pn911t01-bp-...en-a-6497.html

But this PAM 911, as far as I know, is released by Puretime as a Noob model:
https://puretimewatch.io/pam911-t-no...abloc-v12.html

What are your thoughts ?

ALE

 

[rcom440]

This is noob that is being put together in BP factory.
I got 005 a month ago. Great watch.

 

[PolonusTM]

When I asked Joshua about BP releasing PAMs (which is unusual for BP) he replied he was told it is BP but in these time he - let me quote - "(..) I dont contact the makers…. I fear that they are being bugged and I dont wish to be implicated …".

So I guess rcom440 is right about this - BP is putting together PAM from Noob parts, probably not the most recent ones. And there is a manufacturer name game to be considered. Maybe it is Noob after all, under foreign flag. For me BP for PAM's - it is a kind of unheard news.

 

[papabear244]

After seeing that case, I think it would not be fair to call it a Noob even though they have their dial. I mean that lug profile look exactly like the one in my Dhgate pam111. But the crown guard and movement does seem very nice. Maybe "BP" is actually doing some work not just cobbling parts together. And why wouldn't they use those parts if they have them.

 

[KOT1917]

Thanks for the feedback and nice photos.

It's nice to see that the lume on the sandwich is more creamy, because XF, HWF are more green, which I think is not so appropriate.

In essence, the question of origin, I agree with ALE7575 .
I remember at some point, some of the "new" noobs that were lagging in overall quality with the older versions, the PC gave descriptions of GMFs that were also never seen before in the production of PAMs. Moreover, this is the specificity of this particular dealer.

However, I think that this is secondary, primary is that this is the most attractive option for PAM111 at the moment, from what you can buy new, despite all the shortcomings.

 

[ALE7575]

KOT1917

+1

ALE

 

[Ecender]

Thanks for the review, it’s good to see that some old school models continue to be produced by the makers.

 

[Hazing]

That O does look a little wonky but otherwise this looks solid. And it’s also nice to see some models trickling out but reputable factories. Maybe a sign of things to come.


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[PolonusTM]

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[Sober_Jesus]

This was one of the better reviews / threads I've found in my super short time as a member. Thanks KOT1917 , ALE7575 & PolonusTM - Lots of good info here!

 

[flopaklopp]

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Stunning, just trying to source one at the moment

 

[granvino]

This is noob that is being put together in BP factory.
I got 005 a month ago. Great watch.

A few days ago I got QC pics for a BP 005 and it looks exactly as if it was Noob. I checked tracking this morning and it cleared customs and its at the local delivery hub in Mexico..... I'll post pics when it arrives at my apartment in Mexico City