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Are we better off with the 324 super clone for the PP5711 ?

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The 324 super clone movement released by 3kf is indeed a milestone in the PP rep industry that propels the 3kf PP5711 to the forefront leaving the rest (eg PPF) that sports a Miyota 9015 decorated to look like a 324 way behind.

I am well aware that in the rep industry, perception and preference for gen-like are major factors that drive the desires of the buyers. The 3kf 324 SC has been marketed to be a 1:1 replica while the decorated Miyota is a second class.

But are we really better off with the 3kf 324 SC ? Let's look at it from different angles.

1. Resemblance to Gen. Indeed the 3kf 324, at a glance resembles the gen better than the decorated Miyota. Both will be good enough for the uninitiated and casual collectors. Nevertheless, any discerning Patek enthusiastic will be able to call out the decorated Miyota and the 3kf 324 regardless of their degree of resemblances to gen, probably within 2 arm's length for the former and one arm's length for the latter. So, the resemblance argument of the 3kf 324 plays more into the mind of the rep buyer than anything else.

2. Thinner profile. Common perception is that the decorated plates over a stock Miyota add height to the movement and this may result in a thicker case being used. From the TD website, a 3kf PP5711 is 8.5mm thick while a PPF PP5711 is 8.6mm, both are slightly thicker than the 8.3mm of a gen. But the difference between the two reps are negligible.

3. Reliability. A Miyota 9105 is a trial and tested movement that has been around for a long time (since 2009) compared to the recently released 3kf 324 SC. Though I don't have any data to prove one being more reliable than the another, I can certainly attest that a properly serviced and calibrated Miyota can easily run for 10 years or more. On the other hand, there are comments abut the questionable quality of the parts being used in the 3kf 324, the most common being the winding stem which is made of low quality metal.

4. Serviceability. A major fault of the 3kf 324 is that it is NOT an exact replica of the gen movement, the parts are not similar and hence you cannot replace a faulty rep parts with the gen parts without tooling and modding. I fail to understand why 3kf took such an approach when it decided to replicate the Patek 324 resulting in the end product being a different construct from the gen. Hence we would have to depend on 3kf to support us by making spares available for the many years to come. This is indeed a tall order as we all know 3kf may be closed down tomorrow. On the other hand, you can easily buy a Miyota 9015 from ebay at less than $100 now and reasonably expect to be able to buy it in 10-20 years later too.


So, which is better for YOU ? Despite all the arguments made above, there is no one right answer for everyone. As I said earlier, it is all about perception and preferences. So, would like to hear what others got to say.
 

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Depends if you want to add gen datewheel
Depends if you are ok or ocd with a decorative miyota
The 324 clone will not fool anyone and will not accept any gen parts except the rotor in order for the balance system to be gen, if you want perfection on that you buy a calatrava and you use the movement
 
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Depends if you want to add gen datewheel
Depends if you are ok or ocd with a decorative miyota
The 324 clone will not fool anyone and will not accept any gen parts except the rotor in order for the balance system to be gen, if you want perfection on that you buy a calatrava and you use the movement
Calatrava uses same movement as 5711?
 

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The 324 super clone movement released by 3kf is indeed a milestone in the PP rep industry that propels the 3kf PP5711 to the forefront leaving the rest (eg PPF) that sports a Miyota 9015 decorated to look like a 324 way behind.

I am well aware that in the rep industry, perception and preference for gen-like are major factors that drive the desires of the buyers. The 3kf 324 SC has been marketed to be a 1:1 replica while the decorated Miyota is a second class.

But are we really better off with the 3kf 324 SC ? Let's look at it from different angles.

1. Resemblance to Gen. Indeed the 3kf 324, at a glance resembles the gen better than the decorated Miyota. Both will be good enough for the uninitiated and casual collectors. Nevertheless, any discerning Patek enthusiastic will be able to call out the decorated Miyota and the 3kf 324 regardless of their degree of resemblances to gen, probably within 2 arm's length for the former and one arm's length for the latter. So, the resemblance argument of the 3kf 324 plays more into the mind of the rep buyer than anything else.

2. Thinner profile. Common perception is that the decorated plates over a stock Miyota add height to the movement and this may result in a thicker case being used. From the TD website, a 3kf PP5711 is 8.5mm thick while a PPF PP5711 is 8.6mm, both are slightly thicker than the 8.3mm of a gen. But the difference between the two reps are negligible.

3. Reliability. A Miyota 9105 is a trial and tested movement that has been around for a long time (since 2009) compared to the recently released 3kf 324 SC. Though I don't have any data to prove one being more reliable than the another, I can certainly attest that a properly serviced and calibrated Miyota can easily run for 10 years or more. On the other hand, there are comments abut the questionable quality of the parts being used in the 3kf 324, the most common being the winding stem which is made of low quality metal.

4. Serviceability. A major fault of the 3kf 324 is that it is NOT an exact replica of the gen movement, the parts are not similar and hence you cannot replace a faulty rep parts with the gen parts without tooling and modding. I fail to understand why 3kf took such an approach when it decided to replicate the Patek 324 resulting in the end product being a different construct from the gen. Hence we would have to depend on 3kf to support us by making spares available for the many years to come. This is indeed a tall order as we all know 3kf may be closed down tomorrow. On the other hand, you can easily buy a Miyota 9015 from ebay at less than $100 now and reasonably expect to be able to buy it in 10-20 years later too.


So, which is better for YOU ? Despite all the arguments made above, there is no one right answer for everyone. As I said earlier, it is all about perception and preferences. So, would like to hear what others got to say.
True. However, a clone movement may give you a feeling of having the real McCoy or something like that. For example like having a good Mona Lisa rep on your wall.
 
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True. However, a clone movement may give you a feeling of having the real McCoy or something like that. For example like having a good Mona Lisa rep on your wall.

I get that and there is nothing wrong with it.

What I wanted to point out is that it is all in your head. Both the decorated Miyota and the so-called 324SC are not clones of the Patek movement, both are just make believes and can fool almost 99.9% of the people wearing watch but any Patek enthusiastic can easily call both of them out.
 
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A long shot dream is a replica of the 26330 SC, the replacement for the 324SC. The 26330 SC is based on the old 324SC so most of the work is already done. It requires addiitional new parts which can be replicated and some of the old replica 324SC parts can be improved.

As I stated this is long shot dream. I doubt that the replica 324SC movement manufacturer would undertake such a project.
 

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I’ve shied away from the 324 clone in favor of the Miyota in all my Patek reps.
 
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A long shot dream is a replica of the 26330 SC, the replacement for the 324SC. The 26330 SC is based on the old 324SC so most of the work is already done. It requires addiitional new parts which can be replicated and some of the old replica 324SC parts can be improved.

As I stated this is long shot dream. I doubt that the replica 324SC movement manufacturer would undertake such a project.

It would be heaven if 3kf or DanDong do an exact replica of the 26330.

Really doubt so this will happen as it will be much easier and cheaper for 3kf to re-use existing molds and tools to do a non-exact 26-330 repica based on existing non-exact 324SC.
 

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A long shot dream is a replica of the 26330 SC, the replacement for the 324SC. The 26330 SC is based on the old 324SC so most of the work is already done. It requires addiitional new parts which can be replicated and some of the old replica 324SC parts can be improved.

As I stated this is long shot dream. I doubt that the replica 324SC movement manufacturer would undertake such a project.
Apparently being worked on, don't quote me on it just heard from china folks
 

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I think the main issues is the the ppf’s mid case is thicker and is noticeable . ( yes it really is noticeable.

I would go for the 3kf as it is gen spec thickness . Do not believe any of the measurements from the Chinese . Only trust your own calipers. The ppf is way thicker then 8.6mm

And the fact the no one really cares about what you wear makes me think that you should just buy whatever you like

As for the 324 clone movements , if you are adventurous, you could get it engraved. Not 100 percent, but as close as it can get


 

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It really depends on your personal choice to be honest, what is the reason you are buying a rep watch. If you are really only going for the look, then sure, ppf it is. However, if you want something closer to gen, I do think 3kf + modding is the way to go, the clone movement is truly quite cool for the money you are payin but at the end of the way, it depends on you.
 

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Don't care for which movement is in the watch, but the 3KF has a much more accurate case. The PPF has a thicker caseback which admittesly you can't normally see, but from the front the case edge bevels are thin and uniform, while on the 3KF they are thick expand outward like gen. That's the most glaring visible flaw on the PPF case IMO.

Honestly wouldn't mind if they fit a Miyota in the 3KF. I actually quite like the Miyota even with the loud rotor. I know the stem on the clone is a weak point and I feel like I have to overly gently when winding or setting the time.
 
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for me the biggest problem in 3kf are engraving (now resolved with buff mod) and the cote de geneve..

the stripes is orrible..
 

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4. Serviceability. A major fault of the 3kf 324 is that it is NOT an exact replica of the gen movement, the parts are not similar and hence you cannot replace a faulty rep parts with the gen parts without tooling and modding. I fail to understand why 3kf took such an approach when it decided to replicate the Patek 324 resulting in the end product being a different construct from the gen. Hence we would have to depend on 3kf to support us by making spares available for the many years to come. This is indeed a tall order as we all know 3kf may be closed down tomorrow. On the other hand, you can easily buy a Miyota 9015 from ebay at less than $100 now and reasonably expect to be able to buy it in 10-20 years later too.

At least in regard to parts movements the 3k 324SC is made by Peacock (Dandong) under the name SL-1258 so personally I'm buying a couple of them for parts movements. The plates and bridges won't be of any use but the gear train, mainspring or really anything else can be harvested from it. It's only a 600 CNY movement so a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a $300 parts movement.
 

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At least in regard to parts movements the 3k 324SC is made by Peacock (Dandong) under the name SL-1258 so personally I'm buying a couple of them for parts movements. The plates and bridges won't be of any use but the gear train, mainspring or really anything else can be harvested from it. It's only a 600 CNY movement so a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a $300 parts movement.
I've got an issue with the 3K SC...I've looked at the SL-1258 at the Peacock website but they don't sell it (on website). Could you help me to find it? Thanks.