Anyone know the Dial differences between these two ARF 16610LV

[Loudalou]

Hey guys so I’ve been looking for 16610LV and have come across a few pictures where the dial has been a little different as you can see
Top picture is supposed to be an ARF 1661Lv without the Rehaut and has the Swiss made text close together while the picture below also supposed to be ARF 166Lv without the Rehaut and has the Swiss made font far apart

 

[Reaps]

The Rolex Submariner Kermit: Exploring the 16610LV and its variations

Produced over a brief period of 7 years, the Submariner "50th anniversary" presents different variations of bezels and dials that will have a significant influence on its value and desirability.

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Read this whole page it will explain everything to you

The world of vintage Rolex has a trillion variations

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[Loudalou]

The Rolex Submariner Kermit: Exploring the 16610LV and its variations

Produced over a brief period of 7 years, the Submariner "50th anniversary" presents different variations of bezels and dials that will have a significant influence on its value and desirability.

www.41watch.com

Read this whole page it will explain everything to you

The world of vintage Rolex has a trillion variations

You're welcome

Oh cool I was a little worded because I’ve looked at lots of pictures and only came across two with the larger spacing Swiss made… I never would of guessed that Arf did different variations of the same watch And now I guess I just have to figure out what one I want to buy

 

[p0pperini]

And now I guess I just have to figure out what one I want to buy

I'm surprised the bottom one is ARF, it looks more like BP judging by the insert colour. The top one looks more "classic" ARF (ie like NOS JF dial/insert).

 

[Loudalou]

I'm surprised the bottom one is ARF, it looks more like BP judging by the insert colour. The top one looks more "classic" ARF (ie like NOS JF dial/insert).

I thought so too but the Crown guards look short like ARF and As far as I have seen BP doesn’t make a no Rehaut version ??

 

[p0pperini]

I thought so too but the Crown guards look short like ARF and As far as I have seen BP doesn’t make a no Rehaut version ??

Yeah fair points. I coulda sworn I've had a BP no rehaut in the past, but then again, I do have the most terrible memory!

 

[mclarendude]

I'm surprised the bottom one is ARF, it looks more like BP judging by the insert colour. The top one looks more "classic" ARF (ie like NOS JF dial/insert).

The latest batch (or the one I had last) had a color very, very similar to the BP, which I loved. Idk if this is a new variation they decided to try out.

 

[Art Vandelay]

Isn't the top sub from RAF? Looks like it has the protruding crown / tube that a few have talked about.

 

[p0pperini]

The latest batch (or the one I had last) had a color very, very similar to the BP, which I loved. Idk if this is a new variation they decided to try out.

Ooh... nice!

Not that I want to/need to/should buy any more 5-digits. But mmmm that BP green!

 

[KJ2020]

Isn't the top sub from RAF? Looks like it has the protruding crown / tube that a few have talked about.

^ This

ARF and RAF SWISS MADE text were different. Both are found in gen.

The ARF LV dial (on the bottom) is the one with overly green dial marker lume. Members looked for ways to correct this - look at the lume mismatch between dial markers and hands.

A popular fix for this was to replace the ARF dial with a RAF dial. Inexplicably, the ARF LN dial marker lume was fine.

 

[Loudalou]

^ This

ARF and RAF SWISS MADE text were different. Both are found in gen.

The ARF LV dial (on the bottom) is the one with overly green dial marker lume. Members looked for ways to correct this - look at the lume mismatch between dial markers and hands.

A popular fix for this was to replace the ARF dial with a RAF dial. Inexplicably, the ARF LN dial marker lume was fine.

After seeing it I couldn’t unsee it and I think it would drive me crazy lol

 

[KJ2020]

BP ETA

BP 3135

 

[Loudalou]

BP ETA

BP 3135

Looks great hands and dial markers look a lot closer than this Arf … it’s just to bad you can modify the BP as much

 

[KJ2020]

Looks great hands and dial markers look a lot closer than this Arf … it’s just to bad you can't modify the BP as much

Yeah you pretty much have to be happy with OOTB but that does make life easier if you can manage it.

Note the other significant difference found on nearly every BP SUB - the short ft *space* m text in line 2 at the bottom. Also found on some gens.

 

[p0pperini]

Of course I'd forgotten (again) that BP were back and producing a 5-digit with clone 3135... My "looks like BP" comment was in reference to their old LV, with its lovely lime green insert. I haven't seen their new models in person.

I need to bail on this thread or I can feel yet another round of 5-digit ordering coming on...

 

[Art Vandelay]

^ This

ARF and RAF SWISS MADE text were different. Both are found in gen.

The ARF LV dial (on the bottom) is the one with overly green dial marker lume. Members looked for ways to correct this - look at the lume mismatch between dial markers and hands.

A popular fix for this was to replace the ARF dial with a RAF dial. Inexplicably, the ARF LN dial marker lume was fine.

Is it the photo, or are the CGs pointier on the RAF?

 

[KJ2020]

Is it the photo, or are the CGs pointier on the RAF?

I think they are, also the ARF CGs are a tiny bit shorter like their JF lineage.

The BP ETA CGs are slightly shorter than the BP 3135 CGs. You can see this in my two pics. Both are longer than RAF ARF.

 

[Art Vandelay]

I think they are, also the ARF CGs are a tiny bit shorter like their JF lineage.

The BP ETA CGs are slightly shorter than the BP 3135 CGs. You can see this in my two pics.

Nice! Think I'm gunna throw together one of the RAF subs with a gen spec bezel and crown.

Or just be sensible and buy a BP.

 

[Geonor]

I'm have a modded RAF 16610LV and a fairly stock BP16610LN. I honestly use the LN a lot more. It's a great beater.

 

[TerryRobot]

Perspective in line with Gen is the first one looks to be a rep of a later model LV as the bezel insert is in a later green colour more closer to the ceramic colour green. the second looks to be liek the earlier model release kermit model that had the odd colour green here is a gen one to compare with https://www.mappinandwebb.com/Rolex...w-4WKiUFOexeccScchnl8pO9bQHnfx8UaAkv3EALw_wcB
Note the price of it as it looks mint and one of te first with the green bezel.
Not long after RO released the newer model with same case but a different green insert more akin to the ceramic and thsi will on been around the time the rehaut started to appear with engraving, there will probably be some crossover at that time with later cases and older inserts and vice versa.

Also the dial on the newer release seemed to have the closer swiss made marking but again im sure there were some cross over.
one with engraved rehaut

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one without engraving but both have the darker green insert

Rolex Submariner Kermit 16610 LV Oyster Bracelet with Factory Green Bezel Watch | eBay

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Both had the maxi dial with the largers markers and more vibrant lume.

So as you can see there is quite a lot of variation in the gen world and as there are not all that many kicking around much hard to bench mark as a rep

Some great advice on this post but always worth digging around, 5 digit Sports are pretty thin on the ground, BPF seem to be offering most of them although the only downside is that the rehaut is engraved but the is you can see past the chamfer edges on the lugs they look to be pretty ok for the money (the chamfer can be toned down to look less obvious but can also be written off as case polising over the years too.

For what its worth, if i had to pick one id take the 2nd one as the crown and guards would bug me on the other one.

Good luck