I KNOW these movements have been advertised for years now, but based upon my admittedly limited observational only experience with this movement, I wonder if they have been upgraded/changed? Here is why...I have read numerous articles (mostly old, as there does not seem to be many new posts) on the so-called "New Breed Nickle Plated Asian 2813, Automatic Movement, 25J, Highbeat 28800, Rolex Style Perforated Rotor" that the Cartels are advertising. I generally stick with the clone ETA movements, but on the watch I wanted, there was not an accurate color dial (in my opinion) except by a certain maker. As, I was disappointed too many times on other dials, & going through too much money, I found a dial that looked right, & decided to go with this cheaper movement from the same maker, over their clone 2836. Luckily, I am happy w/their dial, & was going to sell the "New Breed" & get the clone ETA. However, I've had this "New Breed" for about two weeks now, & it is keeping good time, the hands sweep is VERY smooth (I confirmed on my timer it is 28800 bpm), the power reserve is strong, it winds smooth, adjusting time is smooth, and there is next to zero rotor noise. The only complaint (which is minor) is the time snaps over just pass midnight, not exactly at midnight. It's not a slow rollover, just not exact, I don't really care about that, but wish to point it out for accuracy. Anyway, I generally have never had much luck with 2813's as they have always "acted cheap" to me. Now I'm wondering what the heck this movement is? It does not look like a DG2813, & it does not look like a DG2814. I'm going to present some pictures of the movement I have, & what was advertised on the site I purchased the watch from. They don't really match the 2813 "new breed" & somewhat matches the clone in looks. However, I'm not trying to argue this is a clone, but it does act more like one in quality.
Now, to counter this, it has no maker markings I can see at all, and the machining quality looks good-to-very good, but not on par to our ETA clones. I have read the below from various members. Most of these comments are older, by at least a few years. So, this is why I'm wondering if the "new breed" is "evolving."
COMMENTS BELOW MARKED WITH AN * IS FROM VARIOUS OTHER MEMBERS OVER THE YEARS...THEY ARE NOT MINE.
*This movement we are discussing is just a cheap copy of a eta clone, many differences and parts do not interchange.
*The dealers call it a 21j high beat movement. I think the official designation may be something like DG2813-2, not sure on this
*It is basically a crude clone / variant of the asian and swiss ETA 2836-2. It seems to be same size and height as the 2836-2.
*Furthermore, the hands fitted on the movement fit a 2836 / 2824 movement, not a dg2813. The feet position are same as ETA 2836. (not dg2813). Unlike the 2836, the dial feet are held in the movement with some sort of a securing screw, a bit different from what is on the dg2813 and in my movement, those screws did not seem to hold the feet well but this is not an issue when movement is secured in a case.
*The stem is unique and not compatible with either movement.
* If it breaks, it can be replace it with a 2836-2 and it will be a straight forward swap. You will replace your stem too. (Although, there was MUCH debate about this).
Picture #1 is what my "new breed" movement is pictured on the seller's site. Picture #2 is the clone ETA. Pictures #3 thru #5 is what's in the back of my watch. Picture #6 is the timer showing 28000 bph.
To me, IMHO, picture #2, looks more like my movement, then a general DG2813. So, my LONG WINDED question is, does anybody have any idea if this actually is as pointed out in the first movement comment... "This movement we are discussing is just a cheap copy of a eta clone, many differences and parts do not interchange."
It does seem to me, to be a "mystery movement" that so far, is working better then a 2813, acts almost like a clone ETA, but is not one.
Now to the picts and my confusion?
Now, to counter this, it has no maker markings I can see at all, and the machining quality looks good-to-very good, but not on par to our ETA clones. I have read the below from various members. Most of these comments are older, by at least a few years. So, this is why I'm wondering if the "new breed" is "evolving."
COMMENTS BELOW MARKED WITH AN * IS FROM VARIOUS OTHER MEMBERS OVER THE YEARS...THEY ARE NOT MINE.
*This movement we are discussing is just a cheap copy of a eta clone, many differences and parts do not interchange.
*The dealers call it a 21j high beat movement. I think the official designation may be something like DG2813-2, not sure on this
*It is basically a crude clone / variant of the asian and swiss ETA 2836-2. It seems to be same size and height as the 2836-2.
*Furthermore, the hands fitted on the movement fit a 2836 / 2824 movement, not a dg2813. The feet position are same as ETA 2836. (not dg2813). Unlike the 2836, the dial feet are held in the movement with some sort of a securing screw, a bit different from what is on the dg2813 and in my movement, those screws did not seem to hold the feet well but this is not an issue when movement is secured in a case.
*The stem is unique and not compatible with either movement.
* If it breaks, it can be replace it with a 2836-2 and it will be a straight forward swap. You will replace your stem too. (Although, there was MUCH debate about this).
Picture #1 is what my "new breed" movement is pictured on the seller's site. Picture #2 is the clone ETA. Pictures #3 thru #5 is what's in the back of my watch. Picture #6 is the timer showing 28000 bph.
To me, IMHO, picture #2, looks more like my movement, then a general DG2813. So, my LONG WINDED question is, does anybody have any idea if this actually is as pointed out in the first movement comment... "This movement we are discussing is just a cheap copy of a eta clone, many differences and parts do not interchange."
It does seem to me, to be a "mystery movement" that so far, is working better then a 2813, acts almost like a clone ETA, but is not one.
Now to the picts and my confusion?
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