Angelus 190 Stem Mov, Pam 203 1950 8 days

[pitimany]

Hi,

I got this nice angelus mov, cal 190. It needs a good clean up and oil, but it is working a keeping time.

Can I use this move in a pam 203 8 days?, if so any ideas what case and who can help ?

I recognize that I have limited knowledge about vintage pams.

Thanks

 

[Sylar]

Wow, nice find there. There is one memeber that I know that has done Angelus projects and that is Enzo, however you will have to work out terms with him as I believe in one of his posts he requeired another movement for him to keep. I might be wrong in this. Vaccuum, RBJ and Flavor flav are tow modders that do great work so they might be able to help.

That is a beaut there.

 

[dtan888]

wow..WOW.. great finding.. as Yllwtrb said .. what he said.

 

[Cucumber_Jones]

Like I said at RWG - no go too big for a watch.

 

[pitimany]

Thanks,

 

[Cucumber_Jones]

Sorry - my first purchase was a dud. I think it may have been the same movement as yours.

 

[VDBroucke]

ang

this motor is not for vintage pams
ang 240 only for pams
240 is hard to find and big money
i think enzo cane you exactly answer for your problem
i wont see new vintage projects in the future from peoples in this forum,my new project 10 days in the forum..

 

[BurgerFlaggen]

Methinks you're seeking the 240 if you want to make an homage PAM203.
This movement is a sort of Holy Grail for vintage modders these days, and there are a number of variables amongst the 240 series to make things more confusing. The movements as well as those who work with them command a painful amount of the filthy lucre.
Neither doing the work yourself, nor paying a qualified person to do it are for the faint of heart.
Try using the search function on this forum; you'll find quite a bit of knowledge on this subject.

 

[pitimany]

thanks enzo,

it is recomforting that at least i got good clock.

I will look for a nice case to make beautiful clock :idea: .

One thing about an Angelus movement calibres that don't work for watch projects; they make
Awesome Gen Angelus Clocks ... everyone seems to forget that part.

 

[hooligan]

Enzo, those pics are making me want to get one and put it on my desk in the office! What are the ballpark dimensions of those vintage Angelus clocks?

Beautiful!

 

[lumpyone]

Re: c.1930s Angelus SF195

real nice clock ...




saw the base off and put a strap on that thing. wear it on your leg.

"ahh i see you noticed my angy thigh chronometer." " yes yes, very rare only issued to the polish air force during the kilbasa war."

 

[ohmycocker]

well, anyway one of my friends met a guy in shanghai who has a gen 203 and after serious testing and run, my friend said Angelus movement is not as accurate as a 6497....is that true for all vintage movements like the rollie thing inside PAM21?

 

[tourby]

angelus240 is a 50years old movement... Unitas is overworked over and over again.

 

[Niko]

Eventhough the Angelus 240, as found in the Pam 203, is an 8 days movement it may need regular time adjustment during this running period.

 

[ohmycocker]

The SF240s are simple 15 Jewel Clock movements and are not as refined a movement as the Rolex 618 calibre, a big reason that Panerai went with them was cost, they were cheaper parts. The fact that there are now no parts made, nor the movements since the 1960's makes it more difficult to get them fixed. I had to have a balance staff custom spun for one of mine. So, they never are going to be the most accurate solution.

But my first Angelus Project #1 6152/1 runs about 3 seconds loss a day and you only have to wind it once a week, that is pretty remarkable. I timed the clock in the photos above last night and got it reading between -1 and +1 second a day ... for a used movement from the 1930's that isn't half bad.

Amazing...3 sec loss a day...I suppose many can accept that....