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A Tale of Two 201a's

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Wow, I had no idea how difficult it would be to take a close up picture of two watches with no AR.

Anyways, I have my original 5218-201a (on the left) that I bought a few months ago when I first joined. Although I loved everything about it at first, I soon realized that ignorance was bliss. As I learned more, I saw more that I wanted to "fix" and decided to buy new 201a (on the right) to use as parts for the new build. My old 201a has a Swiss 6497 inside, and that's the one part I want to really keep.

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I originally wanted to just do a minor mod where I would just take the crown and CG from the new watch and put it on the old one. Although the new CG fit fairly well to the old case, the crown stem was much thicker, and would not fit into the tube (?) on the old case. This was a shame, because I really wanted to keep my old case, with all the dings and scratches.

At this point, I'm thinking of now just doing a basic movement transplant, and basically keep the new watch, but using the movement from my old watch. I've examined all the parts and just wanted to get a second opinion from all the experts here:

Case:
Both cases and casebacks seem identical, except for the crown tube being different sizes. How easy would it be for me to keep the old case, but swap tubes somehow? Is there something I can do to dissolve the epoxy?

CG:
I like the CG on the new watch more. The pin is a bit higher, and the shape of arc on the outside of the CG is "bigger" (smaller radius) which seems more gen like. The lever is also tighter on the new one, as the old one has needed a hot glue fix twice since I've owned it. I'm pretty set on the new CG.

Crown:
The crowns seem to be the same thickness, but the beveled edge of the old crown really makes it seem skinny. The new crown looks fatter, with cleaner edges, and again seems more gen like. I'm pretty set on the new crown.

Dial:
The old dial has nice fat numbers and indexes, and the lume is fantastic, though a bit greener when side by side with the new dial. The logo on the old dial seems a bit too big compared to gen. The LUMINOR PANERAI also seems a bit bigger than gen.
The new dial seems to have a more accurate logo size and placement, and the LUMINOR PANERAI seems about the same size as gen, but it also seems to be squished vertically a bit too much, making it look fatter than gen. The indexes on the new dial also seem a bit too skinny compared to gen.
Opinions?

Hands:
The old hands seem too white, and the lume cutouts don't seem to go far enough. Are they even Pre-V hands?
The new hands seem like they match the new dial too perfectly, as I thought the hands were supposed to be a bit off color from the dial. But the lume cutouts seem accurate. Would the new hands be best off with the new dial, or the old dial?

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
 

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So, all is well with the new one but the movement?

Here is my opinion. Just keep the A6497 in the new watch. They are just as rock solid as a Swiss one. Sell the other and enjoy your watch! ;)

Coldi may chime in here about PreV hands and dials ect......
 
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So, all is well with the new one but the movement?

Here is my opinion. Just keep the A6497 in the new watch. They are just as rock solid as a Swiss one. Sell the other and enjoy your watch! ;)

Coldi may chime in here about PreV hands and dials ect......

lol, thanks for the suggestion... but that doesn't sound like much fun. I'm looking forward to taking the watch apart and possibly screwing something up. ;)
 
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Bumpity bump. Any Pre-V experts here?

Short version of my questions: What parts would you use from these two watches to create the best possible version?
 
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d4m.test

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PM Coldi raji.

Hmmm, I'd hate to bother the guy via pm. I'm not in a huge rush, since I'm still awaiting delivery of a hand removal tool, so maybe I'll pm him if I don't get any answers in a few days. Thanks!
 
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d4m.test

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lol, speak of the devil!

Just took some right now, as well as a couple of better front pics. Old watch is still on the leather strap, new watch is head only.

Crown Side
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Other Side
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Face
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Thanks for looking!
 
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Just a quick bump to see if there are any 201a experts out there. An yes frigpig, I PM'd COLDI. :)
 

COLDI

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The case with the big screw you need to ditch. That's a crappy dsn case... There will be a few replies. I'm on my phone lol...
 

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The one on the right is superior. Pre-v hands. Killer cg and nice crown.

What I would do is sell the existing dial for a FGD dial. Sell the watch on the left for a 111J case and a c3 crystal. Use the funds from the watch sell on the left for those three things. And boom killer 201a. If you are state side I will drill your lugs for free...
 

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The one on the right is superior. Pre-v hands. Killer cg and nice crown.

What I would do is sell the existing dial for a FGD dial. Sell the watch on the left for a 111J case and a c3 crystal. Use the funds from the watch sell on the left for those three things. And boom killer 201a. If you are state side I will drill your lugs for free...

Boo Yah! Told ya Raji! :lol:
 
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d4m.test

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The one on the right is superior. Pre-v hands. Killer cg and nice crown.

What I would do is sell the existing dial for a FGD dial. Sell the watch on the left for a 111J case and a c3 crystal. Use the funds from the watch sell on the left for those three things. And boom killer 201a. If you are state side I will drill your lugs for free...

Wow, thanks so much for the valuable input COLDI!

For the time being, I will definitely keep the watch on the right (after a movement swap of course) and sell the watch on the left to source the 3 parts you suggested. And thanks so much for the offer to drill the lugs. I have no idea what that means, but with all the reading I'm about to do I'm sure I'll find out. ;)
 

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The screws utilized on pre v watches have screws at both ends. Ebay pre v Lug bar. The other side will have to be drilled to fit the screw in.

Dsn is kind of like that but he uses too big of screws on his old case.
 
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Ahh, I thought it might be something like that. Thanks again!

I noticed last night (and this morning) that the hands on the new 201a are lumed much differently than the dial. When I went to bed, the dial markers were lumed quite brightly, but the hands were quite dim in comparison. I turned on a light to "charge" it up, but that only charged the dial more. It had no effect on the hands. Early this morning, I noticed that the hands were a bit brighter than the dial, since the dial seemed to have dimmed down while the hands stayed the same. Could the hands be lumed with tritium? I didn't think anyone used that anymore... although it would be appropriate for a Pre-V. Should the dial be lumed the same way?
 

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Ziggy does the best job for lining an fgd dial and hands imo
 
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Ziggy does the best job for lining an fgd dial and hands imo

Ok, that's what I've heard as well. I heard he doesn't take on new clients though. :(

Ah well. I performed my transplant today, and it was only half successful. :picard:

I wanted to keep my swiss movement, so I was basically doing a double movement remove/swap/install. Quite an operation for my very first major job. I think I did everything ok, but the problem was that the new minute hand was really snug on the old swiss movement (but finally got on there) but the old minute hand was too loose on the new asian movement. It's on there, but it moves freely when you shake it around. I've tried pushing as hard as I can, and from the side profile it seems like it's all the way down. I guess it's just one of those things. Unfortunately, I doubt I can just swap the hands back because I've probably already stretched out the new minute hand on my old swiss movement, so it was a one way trip.

So looks like I'm ordering some new hands. :frusty:
 
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So looks like I'm ordering some new hands. :frusty:

Hooray! I guess I need a proper hand pusher. I was using a cheap ballpoint pen refill to push the hands down, and I guess the minute hand just needed a stronger push. :lol1:

I ended up using the flat end of a spring bar tool with a piece of parchment paper to protect the hand from the metal, and voila! An audible click into perfect position.

Successful double movement transplant! Damn, I tried taking some pictures, but that was nervewracking. Ah well. Now to just find an FGD dial and do some luming.

Holy crap. I feel like a watchsmith.