7750 movement in automatic Panerai reps

[Antroz_50]

Hi all, I’ve almost got every type of Pam in my collection except a submersible and automatic luminor, it is my understanding VSF/SBF movements behave like gen where you can’t quick set the date, but am I correct in thinking TTF have the quick set date?

I wanted to hear your experience with these movements, I hear A7750 movements are unreliable and break easily?

thankyou

 

[KOT1917]

Good day!

In general, everything is correct. VSF, SBF uses a clone of the P.9000 which has an independent hour hand and no quick date setting.
Those factories that use the 7750 (TTF in particular) are adjusted in a very typical way, with a quick setting of the date by the crown in 2 positions.

When choosing submersibles, you need to understand what movt., gen is based on. For the history of releases of gen panerai, in the case of 3 hands and a date, it could be OP.III, P.9000, P.9010, P.900 (Now only about those models that are repeated).

Currently, the choice of rep submersibles is limited to VSF (Everyone will have a P.9000 clone without a quick date set), or low grade factories.
In the case of some models, eg 42mm such as the PAM1055, the gen carries the P.900 which is configured as 7750, but the REP has the P.9000.

Perhaps the only example of a 7750 submersible is zf's pam968, but even if it's available (which I doubt), I wouldn't recommend it, go for VSF.

If you disassemble older models that you could get m2m, if you have enough strength, time and will to search, then there are quite a few 7750 models, both 44 and 47mm, for some of which (For example PAM024 or PAM285) this correct application, and for some (For example PAM364, PAM305, etc.) - not so much, because, 7750 replaced P.9000. Also, in many cases, the replacement for the P.9000 was the ST2555. Functionally it's the same, the position of the balance wheels is also not correct, in relation to the P.9000, the dial layout is in order, and traditionally they should be much cheaper.

Well... I guess the original package of information is there, then it's time for you to choose what to buy.

(I just now realized that you are considering not only submersible, in which case yes, I am ready to confirm that all TTF models in 44mm 1950 cases have 7750, and replace P.9010. In design it fits, they are controlled differently, so de difference, as in the case of 7750-P.9000, and from the point of view of the risk of breakage, it is no worse than clones, while maintainability is higher, moderately the availability of spare parts).

 

[JayBee0815]

(I just now realized that you are considering not only submersible, in which case yes, I am ready to confirm that all TTF models in 44mm 1950 cases have 7750, and replace P.9010. In design it fits, they are controlled differently, so de difference, as in the case of 7750-P.9000, and from the point of view of the risk of breakage, it is no worse than clones, while maintainability is higher, moderately the availability of spare parts).

That´s a really important point. If a defect should occur in the movement - and this can happen sooner or later - you will have real problems getting spare parts for the VSF clone movements. The 7750s have a big advantage here.

As for the stability of the 7750s: that depends very much on which modules were used and whether, for example, the small seconds or the chrono were "redirected". Fortunately, Pams have a different layout than, for example, AP's offshores. The 7750s in Pam reps are therefore very stable. In my opinion, you can go for it.

If the watch has a closed caseback, the clone movement offers no visual advantage anyway, and the Gen functionality is of course important in terms of "Gen-Likeness"; but I personally see it as a disadvantage, because I hate this "flying hour". It might be nice if you wear the watch regularly and travel a lot through different time zones. But if you - like me - have many watches and therefore only wear the individual models every few days, setting the date with these movements alone is a pain ;-)

 

[Antroz_50]

Good day!

In general, everything is correct. VSF, SBF uses a clone of the P.9000 which has an independent hour hand and no quick date setting.
Those factories that use the 7750 (TTF in particular) are adjusted in a very typical way, with a quick setting of the date by the crown in 2 positions.

When choosing submersibles, you need to understand what movt., gen is based on. For the history of releases of gen panerai, in the case of 3 hands and a date, it could be OP.III, P.9000, P.9010, P.900 (Now only about those models that are repeated).

Currently, the choice of rep submersibles is limited to VSF (Everyone will have a P.9000 clone without a quick date set), or low grade factories.
In the case of some models, eg 42mm such as the PAM1055, the gen carries the P.900 which is configured as 7750, but the REP has the P.9000.

Perhaps the only example of a 7750 submersible is zf's pam968, but even if it's available (which I doubt), I wouldn't recommend it, go for VSF.

If you disassemble older models that you could get m2m, if you have enough strength, time and will to search, then there are quite a few 7750 models, both 44 and 47mm, for some of which (For example PAM024 or PAM285) this correct application, and for some (For example PAM364, PAM305, etc.) - not so much, because, 7750 replaced P.9000. Also, in many cases, the replacement for the P.9000 was the ST2555. Functionally it's the same, the position of the balance wheels is also not correct, in relation to the P.9000, the dial layout is in order, and traditionally they should be much cheaper.

Well... I guess the original package of information is there, then it's time for you to choose what to buy.

(I just now realized that you are considering not only submersible, in which case yes, I am ready to confirm that all TTF models in 44mm 1950 cases have 7750, and replace P.9010. In design it fits, they are controlled differently, so de difference, as in the case of 7750-P.9000, and from the point of view of the risk of breakage, it is no worse than clones, while maintainability is higher, moderately the availability of spare parts).

Thanks KOT when I see you’ve replied I always know it’s going to be a good and informative one

 

[Antroz_50]

That´s a really important point. If a defect should occur in the movement - and this can happen sooner or later - you will have real problems getting spare parts for the VSF clone movements. The 7750s have a big advantage here.

As for the stability of the 7750s: that depends very much on which modules were used and whether, for example, the small seconds or the chrono were "redirected". Fortunately, Pams have a different layout than, for example, AP's offshores. The 7750s in Pam reps are therefore very stable. In my opinion, you can go for it.

If the watch has a closed caseback, the clone movement offers no visual advantage anyway, and the Gen functionality is of course important in terms of "Gen-Likeness"; but I personally see it as a disadvantage, because I hate this "flying hour". It might be nice if you wear the watch regularly and travel a lot through different time zones. But if you - like me - have many watches and therefore only wear the individual models every few days, setting the date with these movements alone is a pain ;-)

In all honesty the flying hour probably has its uses but personally a quick set date is for me very important with a watch with a visible date window

Any suggestions for a good offering from TTF? I’ll trawl through the forums posts in a bit but if there’s any models that spring to mind as being pretty good that would be appreciated

 

[JayBee0815]

In all honesty the flying hour probably has its uses but personally a quick set date is for me very important with a watch with a visible date window

Any suggestions for a good offering from TTF? I’ll trawl through the forums posts in a bit but if there’s any models that spring to mind as being pretty good that would be appreciated

Now comes the bigger problem ;-)
You find real good Pam-Reps with 7750 among the older Reps. But they are not available anymore at the TDs. You can only wait and try to find something good on M2M. What the new TTF-Reps is concerned ... they are all not premium level but nevertheless quite nice watches. The range 1312/1313/1314 for example is not bad. I made a review for the 1314 some months ago.

p.s.: If you are looking for a 1312 - there is a good VSF from a friend of mine in the M2M right now ;-)

 

[peterpl]

7750s are VERY VERY reliable especailly in PAM reps because they dont have chrono function and natural seconds at 9 - which is the normal position for a 7750 movement.

Its when you start having chronos and moving the seconds to the 6 or 9 position that causes problems with longevity. Most PAMs using a 7750 are very very good and will last many years. Heck I've got one here that is now 7.5 years old and still keeps +2 seconds per day. Not a single service on it since buying from the dealer on here.