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6036 Rolex Overview | Parts Required

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6036 Rolex Overview | Parts Required
I am investigating how feasible and expensive sourcing parts for a 6036 “snow compax”, or better known as the Jean Claude Killy, triple calendar Rolex, is. Is this a fools errand? Perhaps.

The 6036 was produced from 1950-1958. This build requires 14 main parts for a successful build:

  1. Dial+Metal
  2. Chronograph hands
  3. Case
  4. Case Back
  5. Movement
  6. Chronograph Pushers (Date adjusters)
  7. Bezel
  8. Spring bars
  9. End links
  10. Bracelet
  11. Bracelet Clasp
  12. Box
  13. Papers

This order makes the most sense, some items may have to be foregone. The most important components are the dial, hands, case, casebook, pushers, and movement. To kick off this wild goose chase, I begin with the dial and metal type. From here, I will determine if such a build is feasible. I am striving for super franken results.

Dial & Metal

There are no gen dials available between Chrono24 and Ebay. No collectors who I have reached out to have such dials. Unfortunate indeed.

It’s time for a VN dial.

VN Dial


Real examples of a steel 6036 dial:

Courtesy Bonham's


Courtesy Chrono24


Courtesy Sotheby's


Courtesy Christie's


The importances of a dial in a 6036 is the paint and font. The unfortunate part about VN dials is that they do not have sunken indices. Certain examples of yellow and rose gold do not have sunken indices, so this is the best option (albeit, more expensive). More on this later. The coronet and hour markers may be changed. The dial may need to be repainted, so it is best to choose the one with the best font. The paint on the VN dial is ok from above. Fortunately, the VN dial is a step dial too. In order to successfully create a gen-esque dial, I will need to source other gen dials from the same time period, which have the same hour indices, and surgically transplant these to the 6036 dial along with the coronet. The same procedure will need to be done for a 6062 I am contemplating building.

We filter gen examples based on non sunken dials. I will need to go gold. I must find dials which have used the same indices as verified gen 6036 dials.

Let’s have a look at another user, TheSociety’s, VN dial and configuration of a 6036 build:

Courtesy TheSociety


Now gen 6036s in gold:

Courtesy Antiquorum


Courtesy Bonham's


Courtesy Rolex Passion Report



Society’s build is good given the scarcity of gen parts. However, upon first glance, his has a printed Rolex logo. There are a few other non genuine aspects which could have been mitigated. This includes the pushers and chronograph hands. I will source a gen coronet and hour indices for this dial. The hour indices can be VN worst case scenario, but I will indeed find a gen gold coronet. The exact dial configuration I choose will depend on availability and price of gen parts. In my next update of the 6036 build, I will choose a configuration based on the price of parts, and my journey for this build will pass the inception stage, with a range for price points. This is looking like a $10,000+ build.
 

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Will follow this thread!

The watch you try to build is amazing. Really hard build to do, but whort the pain :)
 

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Good luck this sounds absolutely mental and you'll be one of the few to have this build
 

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Phong has the case- $1650 and dial- $450. Three movements will work but the 72C is the most appropriate. 723 and 730 are also triple dates.
Finding a movement will be expensive- maybe $2K or more. Good luck!
 

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Phong has the case- $1650 and dial- $450. Three movements will work but the 72C is the most appropriate. 723 and 730 are also triple dates.
Finding a movement will be expensive- maybe $2K or more. Good luck!
How are Phong's 6036 dials? From what I have put together, they are OK. DO you know if MQ can has these dials in stock, and if they are better or the same as Phong's?
 
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You'll have to check out MQ on your own. I didn't see any 6036/6236dials on his site but I couldn't access the last three pages of his refinished dials for some reason. You have to realize that there really aren't any spare genuine parts out there and if you do happen upon a few, they will be very expensive. So basically you're building a rep 6036. It looks to me like Phong has his 6036 dials built to order so you take your chances as they say.
Looking at V72Cs today, it looks like $4K for a decent one would be a good budget number. Building a 6036, I'd figure on spending $7K, and it's important to remember it's only a replica!
 

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there are some few options of applied indices and steel cases. Might be that these are 5036. but that does not matter so much as there were overlapping years and configurations between 5036, 6036 and 6236. Still VN dials are, as expected, off to those. Same with the caseback engraving. If I remember there were two different engravings depending of the particular 6036 year. Hands should not be such a big problem. For the main hands you can search also for plenty of Valjoux 90 watches and take the donor parts. The Chrono hands are a bigger problem as you would need to buy different Valjoux 72‘s. But they do not matter that much as there are plenty different styles in 5036, 6036 etc hands. Concerning the pushers, there existed VN versions in the past with mushroom type pusher heads instead of the elongated heads. But don’t know who has them now. Attached steel Killys with applied indices.
 
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As movement option, the cheapest you can get are 730‘s from Wakmanns.
If I remember correctly there were also some black dial 6036‘s with applied indices and steel case.
Attached a VN copy 6036 with more mushroom like pushers.

 

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There is a gold plated 730 wakmann right now in the bay with 1600€ fixed price and price proposal option. Movement is in working condition.
 

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As movement option, the cheapest you can get are 730‘s from Wakmanns.
If I remember correctly there were also some black dial 6036‘s with applied indices and steel case.
Attached a VN copy 6036 with more mushroom like pushers.

This dial is great. From where did you source it?
 

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This dial is great. From where did you source it?
It is not mine, but it was a time around 3-5 years ago when these dials appeared from VN. I have seen at least 10 exactly the same. As usually, some things are off, like the crown, the font and the quality of the applied indices. With these very rare models the way for a dial „maker“ is not to copy exactly an existing one but rather to create one that looks „ok“ and could be seen as one of the countless existing gen versions.
 
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It is not mine, but it was a time around 3-5 years ago when these dials appeared from VN. I have seen at least 10 exactly the same. As usually, some things are off, like the crown, the font and the quality of the applied indices. With these very rare models the way for a dial „maker“ is not to copy exactly an existing one but rather to create one that looks „ok“ and could be seen as one of the countless existing gen versions.
Thanks for the responses Bobby. Do you know if phong or MQ has better dials? I’m asking in general terms for example are phong’s 6239 dials better than mq’s? The only way for me to determine this is order from both, and I would rather avoid that cost.
 

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For this specific model both seem to be ok. In general MQ looks like to be more accurate and crisp for a broader range of model versions. But I heard it is also relatively expensive. Same/Similar dials can be found for 2-350$ with private VN contact. I have no idea about real MQ‘s prices and neither of phong‘s. In General i would Check if the main locations of the printings are at the right positions. Same with their sizes. Additionally the subdials chamfers or steps should look correct as well as the printings of ticks and number in the subdials. Font for main printings will never be extremely close but should look at least similar. It is easier to go with a non big red, as the exact location and size is usually sometimes more sometimes less, off. 6239, 40, 41, 63, 62, 65 normal VN dials are good to go. PN dials have bigger problems.
 

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Oh and also for 6239 6263 etc the cheapest movement option is Wakmann 730 and then taking off the date Modul below the dial. Not very very easy but also not dramatically problematic. 730 is high beat, so most probably too fast for 6036 but the right choice for 6263
 
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Oh and also for 6239 6263 etc the cheapest movement option is Wakmann 730 and then taking off the date Modul below the dial. Not very very easy but also not dramatically problematic. 730 is high beat, so most probably too fast for 6036 but the right choice for 6263
For the 6036 I’m going v72c, and for 4 digit Daytona builds I’m going gen movement or conversion from a v72 or a v726 to 722, 722-1, and 727. This will be an endeavor. Thanks Bobby :)
 
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almost everyone in this thread has been banned or inmate... so sad, i guess we never know if he succeded in this build :)