3rd Order and 5th Watch at Steve's - Problem.

[markiz_zigfrid]

I have already ordered two Omegas and a Cartier from Steve. Everything went smoothly, I received the watch and have already written a good review.

This time I decided to order two more watches. Blancpain Fifty Fantoms and Breitling Navitimer38mm with SW200 movement!

Before ordering, I asked TD several times what mechanism would be in the watch! And Extra paid $120 for the Swiss version - sw200!



Placed an order on March 1st. On March 3rd, I already received the QC photos of Breitling.

After receiving the QC photos, I asked to send me a photo of the movement. Just remove the back cover and take a photo...



TD didn't want to do it. And only today, after 2 weeks, I received a photo of the movement.... As you can see in the photos below, this is not the SW200 that I ordered! This is a Chinese copy of 2824-2, which is cheaper, while other APs are even 150 USD cheaper!



I emailed Steve about it and this is the response I got:


Admin edit: All screen shots of a private conversation deleted.

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

I got the dates wrong. On March 1st I ordered Blancpain and on the 3rd I received his QC photos. I ordered Breitling on March 5th and received the QC photo on March 10th. But this does not change the essence of the matter.
TD refuses to admit his mistake!

 

[andreapilot91]

I have already ordered two Omegas and a Cartier from Steve. Everything went smoothly, I received the watch and have already written a good review.

This time I decided to order two more watches. Blancpain Fifty Fantoms and Breitling Navitimer38mm with SW200 movement!

Before ordering, I asked TD several times what mechanism would be in the watch! And Extra paid $120 for the Swiss version - sw200!


Placed an order on March 1st. On March 3rd, I already received the QC photos of Breitling.

After receiving the QC photos, I asked to send me a photo of the movement. Just remove the back cover and take a photo...



TD didn't want to do it. And only today, after 2 weeks, I received a photo of the movement.... As you can see in the photos below, this is not the SW200 that I ordered! This is a Chinese copy of 2824-2, which is cheaper, while other APs are even 150 USD cheaper!



I emailed Steve about it and this is the response I got:

More reason not to order from this person! I had a medium quality' with my VSF 3135 116610 LN but I do not think to order more' from him, although I was followed long after the purchase via WA ....

 

[tripdog]

Screen shots of private conversation deleted.
I'm pretty sure if he started posting screen shots of a conversations he had with you on public forums you wouldn't be happy about it.

The TD obviously doesn't know the difference between an SW and an Asian movement, slightly ridiculous but not dishonest.

 

[tripdog]

And I removed the word 'scam' from your title.

It's not a scam, he just doesn't know shit about watch movements.

 

[promax01]

“TD didn't want to do it.”

This is strange, Steve always take pictures of the movement when he does QC

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

And I removed the word 'scam' from your title.

It's not a scam, he just doesn't know shit about watch movements.

I really want this to be true. I am not a bad shopper. It's just that I feel cheated, that's why I put "Scam" in the subject. If you think it's overkill, ok.

I'm just sharing my experience with other users so that they know what to look for when buying a watch from TD

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

Screen shots of private conversation deleted.
I'm pretty sure if he started posting screen shots of a conversations he had with you on public forums you wouldn't be happy about it.

The TD obviously doesn't know the difference between an SW and an Asian movement, slightly ridiculous but not dishonest.

The personal data of TD is not a secret, his email, phone and whatsapp are on this forum and on his website. So I don't see anything wrong with that.

I just posted what the seller wrote to me. He assured me that the movement is Swiss SW200...

I think the screenshots are a good proof of this.
And for other buyers, this will be a good lesson on what to look for when buying.

By removing evidence of TD guilt, you are misleading other forum members and buyers.

 

[tripdog]

The personal data of TD is not a secret, his email, phone and whatsapp are on this forum and on his website. So I don't see anything wrong with that.

I just posted what the seller wrote to me. He assured me that the movement is Swiss SW200...

I think the screenshots are a good proof of this.
And for other buyers, this will be a good lesson on what to look for when buying.

By removing evidence of TD guilt, you are misleading other forum members and buyers.

You didn't post his 'data', you posted a personal and private conversation with him on a public forum - and you didn't check with him first to see if that was OK.

I didn't remove 'evidence', I removed a private conversation, and I'm certainly not 'misleading' anybody. You've made your claims, they stand as they are without the need for screen shots.

You've posted in his feedback section, the TD can reply to you here. Other potential customers can read what you post, what he posts, they can make their own decision based on both sides of the story.

You may find you'll be happier on reddit than RWI.

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

The TD obviously doesn't know the difference between an SW and an Asian movement, slightly ridiculous but not dishonest.

To do this, I attached a sknishont with correspondence. On March 5th, TD answered my question: what is the difference between A2824 and SW200 - "The SW200 is more stable usually" (c) Steve

Today, after I saw that the watch has a Chinese movement, instead of Sellita TD, it answers: "Hello, The SW 200 is the Asian 2824. They are the same one"

I want to highlight that on the site the seller has the option of choosing a movement. And the SW200 costs $120 more!

Thus, the seller deliberately deceives buyers and misleads them, saying that he does not know about the mechanisms or that they are the same ...

 

[TESLA760]

Deliberately ?

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

You didn't post his 'data', you posted a personal and private conversation with him on a public forum - and you didn't check with him first to see if that was OK.

I didn't remove 'evidence', I removed a private conversation, and I'm certainly not 'misleading anybody. You've made your claims, they stand as they are without the need for screen shots.

You've posted in his feedback section, the TD can reply to you here. Other potential customers can read what you post, what he posts, they can make their own decision based on both sides of the story.

You may find you'll be happier on reddit than RWI.

It just looks a little weird. It's like you're trying to shield TD.

In correspondence, I just showed his answer that the watch that I order will have SW200.

There was no personal information and I don't see anything wrong with posting correspondence with TD. For this, there is a forum to share correspondence feedback with sellers, rewies and feedbacks

 

[TESLA760]

It just looks a little weird. It's like you're trying to shield TD.

In correspondence, I just showed his answer that the watch that I order will have SW200.

There was no personal information and I don't see anything wrong with posting correspondence with TD. For this, there is a forum to share correspondence feedback with sellers, rewies and feedbacks

Still waiting for you to explain how you came to the inference that this was deliberate. Do you think that Trusted Dealers are infallible ? I assume you're perfect and make no mistakes in your life ?

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

Still waiting for you to explain how you came to the inference that this was deliberate. Do you think that Trusted Dealers are infallible ? I assume you're perfect and make no mistakes in your life ?

Obviously you didn't read my posts completely.
I will repeat again.

I bought 5 watches from Steve. Up to this point I was 100% happy with the purchases and the service.

I can't walk on water, and I don't think TD can either. We can all make mistakes. But the main thing is the ability to recognize them.

I wouldn't post on this forum if Steve just refunded the money for the watch, or went to the factory and ordered the actual movement I bought. Or at the very least, offer me compensation.

No, instead he wrote me that there is no difference between SW200 and A2824. Thus, he showed no desire to help solve the problem.


Why did I have a suspicion of deliberate? - I asked for a photo of the mechanism for 6 days. TD refused to do it for all sorts of reasons. Why?

 

[TESLA760]

You didn't mention suspicion.

"Thus, the seller deliberately deceives buyers and misleads them, saying that he does not know about the mechanisms or that they are the same ..."

Those are the words directly from your post. Do you need a reading comprehension lesson ? I don't sense any suspicion in your statement. Try again.

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

You didn't mention suspicion.

"Thus, the seller deliberately deceives buyers and misleads them, saying that he does not know about the mechanisms or that they are the same ..."

Those are the words directly from your post. Do you need a reading comprehension lesson ? I don't sense any suspicion in your statement. Try again.

What is not clear?

The seller first says that the SW200 is more stable than the Chinese copy. And when you buy SW, and inside A2824, the seller says that both movements are the same!

He deceives and misleads people that he does not know or understand clockwork! When it comes to selling he knows the SW200 is better than the A2824. And when he made a mistake, he deceives and says that they are the same

 

[TESLA760]

So now you're back to the original accusation ? Take your medications and come back letting us know which story you're going with.

 

[markiz_zigfrid]

So now you're back to the original accusation ? Take your medications and come back letting us know which story you're going with.

I am well. You need medicine

 

[tripdog]

It just looks a little weird. It's like you're trying to shield TD.

In correspondence, I just showed his answer that the watch that I order will have SW200.

There was no personal information and I don't see anything wrong with posting correspondence with TD. For this, there is a forum to share correspondence feedback with sellers, rewies and feedbacks

I can assure you I don't give 2 polished to a mirror finish shits about any reputations, be it TDs or otherwise.

You seem to be confusing the removal of several screen shots of a private conversation with me disputing your claims and trying to protect the TD.

I don't care who is right, I don't care who is wrong.

I removed screen shots of a private conversation because posting them is fucking rude and disrespectful.

You've made your claims, I'm not in any way disputing them - you think he tried to cheat you ? That's fine with me, let the dealer post a reply here in this thread.

 

[steve_theonewatches]

Hello friend,

Sorry again for the inconveniences and misunderstanding.

We have ordered the watch with wrong movement at the first time, once we figured out, we have changed for you at the first time.

This is our fault, and for the further chat, we accidently typed wrong, it should be ETA, not for Aisa.

And we also cleared that once we find this type, so caused many inconvneicnes for you.

We feel so sorry for that and we will do our best to a better communication.

We know there still a big improvements for our team, please forgive us, thanks a lot for your kindness and understanding.