Any direct comparisons between these two Super reps ?
I have had a dig around but not found any side by side comparisons
I have had a dig around but not found any side by side comparisons
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177 H Maker vs Noob n series
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i suppose the CG on the noob will have better sharp inner edges whilst H has rounded edges?other than that both have similar characteristics and i doubt anyone would notice from afar
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The case is better in Noob with a nice CG whereas H maker have awful CG for the current standards
H maker is a Super rep evaluated some time ago. Nowadays likely it would not be evaluated as a super rep.
Crystal anyway could be a bit better in H maker (few difference). Anyway it doesn't justify the H maker purchase IMO.
I'm considering reevaluate some "old" reps of PAM GUIDE due to this matter. Current replicas are awesome and then "old" ones become "obsolete".
ALE
H maker is a Super rep evaluated some time ago. Nowadays likely it would not be evaluated as a super rep.
Crystal anyway could be a bit better in H maker (few difference). Anyway it doesn't justify the H maker purchase IMO.
I'm considering reevaluate some "old" reps of PAM GUIDE due to this matter. Current replicas are awesome and then "old" ones become "obsolete".
ALE
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I know some attach a lot of importance to the inner edge of the CG, it took me 6 months to understand what they were talking about (I own a gen 177 and had a H fact then).
For me the biggest flaw on the H fact is the white writting on the dial versus the creamy one on the Noob similar to the gen.
For me the biggest flaw on the H fact is the white writting on the dial versus the creamy one on the Noob similar to the gen.
ALE, hi
Thanks for your stunning review summaries, I think a new grading would make sense, perhaps something that moves on from technical correction to quality matching. I don't think I'll see a rep that matches a JLC reverso or Patek for that quality of finish that shouts class. But if a rep can come close it deserves a grading above super rep
Thanks for your stunning review summaries, I think a new grading would make sense, perhaps something that moves on from technical correction to quality matching. I don't think I'll see a rep that matches a JLC reverso or Patek for that quality of finish that shouts class. But if a rep can come close it deserves a grading above super rep
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Have you got a noob as well ? It's the glass I am particularly interested in as the gen I saw seemed to have a little more sparkle and clarity which added a bit of class over the H Maker
Very useful, I am guessing the Gen is on the left ?
I am less bothered about the slight chamfer on the CG and more bothered about the glass, the dial is a bit of a shame but as ALE didn't notice maybe the H maker is the one to get !
I have a H Maker 061 and would like a glass with a little more 'sparkle' I don't suppose you know if the gen glass would fit ?
I am less bothered about the slight chamfer on the CG and more bothered about the glass, the dial is a bit of a shame but as ALE didn't notice maybe the H maker is the one to get !
I have a H Maker 061 and would like a glass with a little more 'sparkle' I don't suppose you know if the gen glass would fit ?
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Gen (on the left) next to rep (on the right) then rep (on the left) next to gen (on the right).
Kuvarsit Watch says that on some of his model he's using gen glass, and I know many have fitted gen glass on H or Noob. Someone sold a few not so long ago over at Wrist-check.
Kuvarsit Watch says that on some of his model he's using gen glass, and I know many have fitted gen glass on H or Noob. Someone sold a few not so long ago over at Wrist-check.
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Hi IWC DC
Don’t go wrong. I noticed it, but I had just forgot it
For your info more things:
- Inscription on movement bridges H maker is painted whereas Noob is engraved (noticeable if you know)
- Noob has overall better finish in movement
- Sandwich dial is deeper in Noob and better with better colour and raised in inscriptions (noticeable)
- Crystal in new Noob series is as good as H maker (or few noticeable differences)
- SN and screw better in H maker as always (don’t affect movement)
- CG clearly superior Noob (noticeable if you know)
- Crown better in H maker (noticeable if you know)
- CP better in Noob
The rep crystal are not as good as gen. I have seen only a similar in PAM 417 of Kuvarsit that is like gen if not gen (but it has violet hue like boutique gen).
But you must assume it or try to get a gen crystal. H maker and noob have few differences nowadays.
Oh! I just forgot it too:
My PAM 177 is a Noob N-series … Hummmm
ALE
Thanks again ALE
I am struggling a bit with my 061 H Maker rep which has stopped working and won't come to life. I was considering looking at a swiss movement as a replacement but understand from the TD that this is not available.
I have pretty much decided to get a black/Ti PAN to supplement my brown/Ti combo and will get a 177, perhaps now Noob, more on that later
Regarding Swiss movements I see the 177 is available with a swiss movement (Swan neck) but I am told that there is no Swiss movement available for my failed 061 by my TD. Could/should I look at a Swiss swan neck for my 061 to be more reliable and should I buy the Swiss version of the 177 when I commit , to improve reliability ?
I am struggling a bit with my 061 H Maker rep which has stopped working and won't come to life. I was considering looking at a swiss movement as a replacement but understand from the TD that this is not available.
I have pretty much decided to get a black/Ti PAN to supplement my brown/Ti combo and will get a 177, perhaps now Noob, more on that later
Regarding Swiss movements I see the 177 is available with a swiss movement (Swan neck) but I am told that there is no Swiss movement available for my failed 061 by my TD. Could/should I look at a Swiss swan neck for my 061 to be more reliable and should I buy the Swiss version of the 177 when I commit , to improve reliability ?
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Don't buy "SWISS" movements for manual PAMs Asian is good and reliable enough. And there are other considerations
Read in PAM GUIDE:
There are replica versions fitted with “Swiss†movements. These "Swiss" movements are not the same of the original mounted in the current gen watches. They are, at best, a "cheap Swiss" Low beat movement with a "cheap" Novodiac shock protection system instead of Incabloc and with an horrible Swan Neck, the same or worse than which you can find in the replicas. The advice is: Save your money and get the good and accurate enough Asian movement.
ALE
Read in PAM GUIDE:
There are replica versions fitted with “Swiss†movements. These "Swiss" movements are not the same of the original mounted in the current gen watches. They are, at best, a "cheap Swiss" Low beat movement with a "cheap" Novodiac shock protection system instead of Incabloc and with an horrible Swan Neck, the same or worse than which you can find in the replicas. The advice is: Save your money and get the good and accurate enough Asian movement.
ALE
ALE thanks
In which case do you know any good UK rep friendly repair/service shops. I note there is a new, in the process of becoming trusted, dealer. But he is tied up with current work at present.
In which case do you know any good UK rep friendly repair/service shops. I note there is a new, in the process of becoming trusted, dealer. But he is tied up with current work at present.
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