1680 sub

[fredl187]

Hi everybody,

I bought a nice 1680 here on m2m and got a question about it.

I was wondering the bezel of the watch turned very hard without clicks and as I turned it a bit harder it moves but with the crystal.

I removed the bezel then and it turned out that there was no spring or anything else but the crystal and the bezel.

I was searching for a removing the bezel thread on you tube an there were two things on a sub which are not on mine

a click spring and a metal ring.

now for my question : is it something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-INSERT-TE...2-5513-5517-/160679769624?hash=item256942b618

plus a click spring what I need to make things right or is this thing not working with the rep and I have to glue the bezel instead?

Sorry for my noonish question and thanks for your help in advance.

If someone has something I need to make it work, I´d be glad to get your offer.

Thank you!

Specs
-Cartel/JFK v2 base
-Clarks T-127 plexi fitted (all work done by me)

here are some pics

can´t upload them atm....don´t know why...bbimg is driving me nuts....

I´ll try it tomorrow

 

[kilowattore]

Your bezel is made of four parts, just like the gen one.

- an insert
- an outer bezel that rotates
- an inner retention ring that holds the crystal in place and snaps inside the outer bezel
- a friction ring that should enable bezel operation

You should not feel any click when rotating the bezel, that's for more recent subs. Buy you should be able to rotate that thing. Since the friction ring is curved, usually pushing the bezel while turning it allows for easier operation. In any case some bezels like WSO are known not to turn, no matter what you do.

 

[fredl187]

Your bezel is made of four parts, just like the gen one.

- an insert
- an outer bezel that rotates
- an inner retention ring that holds the crystal in place and snaps inside the outer bezel
- a friction ring that should enable bezel operation

You should not feel any click when rotating the bezel, that's for more recent subs. Buy you should be able to rotate that thing. Since the friction ring is curved, usually pushing the bezel while turning it allows for easier operation. In any case some bezels like WSO are known not to turn, no matter what you do.

Thank you Kilo! So there’s one part missing...I‘ll order the retention ring then.

 

[kilowattore]

Thank you Kilo! So there’s one part missing...I‘ll order the retention ring then.

Bezel assembly probably came out as a whole. I suggest you disassemble it before ordering parts that you may have already

 

[tripdog]

Bezel assembly probably came out as a whole. I suggest you disassemble it before ordering parts that you may have already

This^^.

 

[nipe]

When I removed the bezel from my 1680 the first time, the friction ring was stuck underneath the bezel, you should be able to see it if you turn the bezel upside down

 

[fredl187]

Bezel assembly probably came out as a whole. I suggest you disassemble it before ordering parts that you may have already

I already did and tried to post some pics, too but the pichoster drove me nuts yesterday ...
There’s only the crystal and the bezel with the insert. So I think the retention ring probably is the missing part.

thank you all for your help! I‘ll keep you updated

 

[manodeoro]

Bezel assembly probably came out as a whole. I suggest you disassemble it before ordering parts that you may have already

This^^.

I already did and tried to post some pics, too but the pichoster drove me nuts yesterday ...
There’s only the crystal and the bezel with the insert. So I think the retention ring probably is the missing part.

thank you all for your help! I‘ll keep you updated

Looking at your pics I would say there IS a retention around your crystal ... but the definitino is low so I may be wrong.
PLUS you should post some pics of your bezel upside down.

 

[fredl187]

The upload of the pics does not work for some reason atm...

What I can say for sure is that there is nothing to fix the crystal as it is easily removed when the bezel is off

 

[fredl187]

Looking at your pics ...

Where do you see them? I can’t on no device...

 

[tripdog]

Looking at your pics I would say there IS a retention around your crystal ... but the definitino is low so I may be wrong.
PLUS you should post some pics of your bezel upside down.

No, the channel for the rubber gasket is visible - this is covered up if the retaining ring is in place.

 

[manodeoro]

No, the channel for the rubber gasket is visible - this is covered up if the retaining ring is in place.

Sorry .. I'm an old man and my eyes are old too [emoji3]

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[tripdog]

The upload of the pics does not work for some reason atm...

What I can say for sure is that there is nothing to fix the crystal as it is easily removed when the bezel is off

Listen to what you are being told.

You have a 4 part assembly, starting from the crystal working outwards:

Crystal retaining ring - the purpose is to hold the crystal in place by pressure.
Tension spring - the purpose is to hold the bezel ring on the retaining ring by pressure.
Bezel ring - this sits on the crystal retaining ring, the tension ring is sandwiched between the 2, pressure fit holds it all together.
Bezel insert.

The reason the crystal comes off is because the retaining ring is not in place, it is still inside the bezel ring.
Cartel watches have terrible machining standards - + 0.2 mm / -0.2 mm differences mean pressure fit parts will not work at all.
If the retaining ring was not there then you would only have a bezel ring, which means you would have approximately 3 mm of lateral play between the crystal and the inner edge if the bezel ring - do you have 3 mm of lateral play ? of course not, that's because the retaining ring is inside the bezel ring.

 

[tripdog]

Sorry .. I'm an old man and my eyes are old too [emoji3]

Sent from the RWI App

Well I did have to zoom on the pic to see it - click on it and it zooms in.

 

[fredl187]

Listen to what you are being told.

You have a 4 part assembly, starting from the crystal working outwards:

Crystal retaining ring - the purpose is to hold the crystal in place by pressure.
Tension spring - the purpose is to hold the bezel ring on the retaining ring by pressure.
Bezel ring - this sits on the crystal retaining ring, the tension ring is sandwiched between the 2, pressure fit holds it all together.
Bezel insert.

The reason the crystal comes off is because the retaining ring is not in place, it is still inside the bezel ring.
Cartel watches have terrible machining standards - + 0.2 mm / -0.2 mm differences mean pressure fit parts will not work at all.
If the retaining ring was not there then you would only have a bezel ring, which means you would have approximately 3 mm of lateral play between the crystal and the inner edge if the bezel ring - do you have 3 mm of lateral play ? of course not, that's because the retaining ring is inside the bezel ring.

Ok, Trip ! Thanks for your help...I‘ll check all your hints next weekend....Just one last question ... easy fix or hard work - I am not experienced in watch building- more user

 

[tripdog]

Ok, Trip ! Thanks for your help...I‘ll check all your hints next weekend....Just one last question ... easy fix or hard work - I am not experienced in watch building- more user

It's easy - you can do it !

Remove the insert form the bezel ring - you will see 2 rings, one will rotate inside the other. Push hard with both thumbs on the inner ring - it will pop out.
When you've done that, post in this thread again.

 

[fredl187]

It's easy - you can do it !

Remove the insert form the bezel ring - you will see 2 rings, one will rotate inside the other. Push hard with both thumbs on the inner ring - it will pop out.
When you've done that, post in this thread again.

Sounds great-thanks again will see if I can manage to do that on Wednesday-latest on Friday!

 

[kilowattore]

I love the online helpdesk

 

[manodeoro]

Well I did have to zoom on the pic to see it - click on it and it zooms in.

Difficult on my phone ... I'll try on my desktop when back home.

Listen to what you are being told.

You have a 4 part assembly, starting from the crystal working outwards:

Crystal retaining ring - the purpose is to hold the crystal in place by pressure.
Tension spring - the purpose is to hold the bezel ring on the retaining ring by pressure.
Bezel ring - this sits on the crystal retaining ring, the tension ring is sandwiched between the 2, pressure fit holds it all together.
Bezel insert.

The reason the crystal comes off is because the retaining ring is not in place, it is still inside the bezel ring.
Cartel watches have terrible machining standards - + 0.2 mm / -0.2 mm differences mean pressure fit parts will not work at all.
If the retaining ring was not there then you would only have a bezel ring, which means you would have approximately 3 mm of lateral play between the crystal and the inner edge if the bezel ring - do you have 3 mm of lateral play ? of course not, that's because the retaining ring is inside the bezel ring.

Sent from the RWI App

 

[fredl187]

@tripdog

Made four out of one...the brass spring looks not that good...

should there be an o ring anywhere, too?

Thanks for the online tutorial appreciate it!