127

[gliptopolis]

Okay,

After sending several PM's around the world, I'm to the point of having to just come out and ask the question:

How do I go about getting an acceptable 127?

I'm of the opinion now after several conversations with different people that I need the 0117 case and the adjustable swan neck movement with the dagger. My problem seems to be in finding a copy with the above that has AR and no pin problem or with the guard being on upside down...whew!

Sooooo, I'm just about to the point where I'm going to give up completely on the 127 and try and find out who has the best sub :twisted:

I've looked at everyone's offerings that I know of from both boards, and still don't seem to find one with the complete package. I realize I might have to get mods done, but the recessed pin doesn't concern me that much, whereas the other things do.

I've already gotten some great advice, but I think I was asking the wrong question...Help appreciated!

 

[hooligan]

I believe that EL has a model with the only items needing correction being SL and cannon pin?

Belial's fully modded Fiddy addresses all the issues. It has AR sapphire, dagger/swan, SL, cannon pin fix, etc. (If he has the correct E movements in stock at the time, of course).

 

[gliptopolis]

Okay, I agree with everything you said, however, I believe B2K's case is the 08xx, not the 0117 which is supposed to be a true 1:1 and closer to the gen, which is not the movement I'm told I need...I think Eddie's is the closest, but his has the cannon pin issue...I'm leaning towards Eddie's, mostly because of the movement and the 0117 case, just want to be sure since I only plan on buying one of these...never upgrading later. Ruby also has one, but her case is the 08xx not the 0117. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill with the case thing, but I'd much rather be safe than sorry.

 

[babola]

Okay, I agree with everything you said, however, I believe B2K's case is the 08xx, not the 0117 which is supposed to be a true 1:1 and closer to the gen, which is not the movement I'm told I need...I think Eddie's is the closest, but his has the cannon pin issue...I'm leaning towards Eddie's, mostly because of the movement and the 0117 case, just want to be sure since I only plan on buying one of these...never upgrading later. Ruby also has one, but her case is the 08xx not the 0117. I might be making a mountain out of a molehill with the case thing, but I'd much rather be safe than sorry.

No dealer's got a perfect 127 rep.
Not sure who told you about 'having to have' a dagger shaped reg needle, since there's only one E-series OPXI rep mov't that comes with it and this one is not Swiss - it's known as a 'hybrid' 6497-1 Cinese/Swiss mov't.

Eddie Lee's 127 needs a ot of work afterwards, dial relume, pin fix, hands swap...

Davidsen's comes in a nice "full" package for some $350+ but he doesn't offer Swiss E-series mov't, his Fiddys come with either Asian 6497-2 21000bph (higher-beat) or Swiss H-series with CDG bridges and S/N reg. If you're not too fussed about having the hystorically correct mov't in you Fiddy...DSN would be the way to go.

Either way, you're not going to get the perfect rep Fiddy off the shelf, period. 8)

PM me if this doesn't make sense to you.

cheers,
babola

 

[madonna]

How about the " Panerai Pam127 Fiddy fully modded edition" from Puretime ?

Any WIS that can comment on that one ?

Is delivered with Sapphire crystal with AR, Dagger Swan Neck, Canon pin fix and Superlume.

I know picture shows it is a 0581 case. but have heard it can be ordered with a 0117 case instead ?.

Have been thinking for some time to get this one myself, to replace the 127 I got from Silix.
( But bought 2 used 217 the last days instead, one EL and one Davidsen , so guess I have enough 47mm PAM's for now )

 

[hooligan]

The one from Angus would be the same "hybrid" ChiSwiss movement Babola talked about, but *if* you can get it with the 0117 case and have Angus' watchmaker perform the SL and cannon pin fix mods, it's as close to perfect as you'll get straight from a dealer.

This is the first I've heard anyone say that PT can get that watch in the 0117 case. Interesting...

I believe if Angus can get it, so can Belial. I'm pretty sure they share the same distributor(s).

 

[gliptopolis]

Maybe if we all ask, at least one can find out about the 117 case. If I can get the B2K super-duper deluxe decoder ring style with the 117, I'm in. I wonder about the 117 case, though, as I've asked about the case issue and he told me the non-117 case was basically the same for all intents and purposes. As I'm a newb to the Pam scene, I have to ask a bajillion stupid questions before I purchase this one. The other 2 were impulse buys...I want this one as close as possible without costing 1k, you know?

Also, I didn't mean to imply that I absolutely had to have the dagger, I just thought it was closer to the gen. If not, I'll cross it off my list. That's why I ask my silly little questions: to learn... :lol:

Thanks for the posts so far, they're really helpful. I have to wonder if I'm really the only one wondering about this, too...Maybe this will help someone besides me...

 

[audemarsfan]

How can you identify the different cases?

 

[Unitas68]

audesmarfan, the #s are engraved on the back of the case. :wink:

 

[madonna]

But it is not 100% secure way.
The caseback where the serialnr is engraved ( 0117/1950 or 0581/1950) is interchangeable, so fully possible to put a "0581" caseback on a "0117" case.

But they are normally delivered to the "factory" as a "matched set", so in most cases the serialnr shows what case you have.

 

[babola]

Some info in e0117 vs e0581 case diff:

http://www.replicacollector.com/members ... 7634&st=30

babola

 

[Unitas68]

madonna, thank you for the info. I had not thought about the swap;duhh :idea:

 

[ZainoDetail]

Enzo makes good points.

If I were to want one that looked cosmetically as good as possible without mods and while on the wrist i think that the Davidsen watch is the one to have. BUT the current version that I nearly bought a couple of weeks ago does not have the engraved bridges on the back which is the biggest flaw possible when you turn the watch over in my opinion. That said I'm reconsidering this watch as after thinking about it I have two other display back PAMs that have good replica movements in them but nobody ever sees them except me.

Second on my list was the EL version which with the canon pin fix and davidsen hands would be hard to beat as far as accuracy.

If either of these guys could correct the slight flaws that they have with their watches they'd sell ALOT of them.

 

[belial2k]

Just to clear up a few things about the Fiddys. Angus and I were using the 0581 case simply because we buy these in "parts" from our supplier and put them together. It is harder to get the 0117 case as a part...but Angus was/is able to get some now, so we should have that problem solved for those of you who care about that difference. Also, because we build ours from parts, there is no correlation between our case number and dial, crystal, ect, ect....that was mentioned by enzo. Our goal with these watches is to build an out of the box Fiddy that won't need all the expensive mods. But if you find something else you think would make our fully modded watches more "perfect" feel free to let us know. If so many members hadn't told us the 0117 case was NEEDED Angus wouldn't have worked so hard to make it happen. But since you crybabies have to have everything perfect we have to go the extra mile and work harder. Damn you and your knowledge. :wink:

 

[ZainoDetail]

Just to clear up a few things about the Fiddys. Angus and I were using the 0581 case simply because we buy these in "parts" from our supplier and put them together. It is harder to get the 0117 case as a part...but Angus was/is able to get some now, so we should have that problem solved for those of you who care about that difference. Also, because we build ours from parts, there is no correlation between our case number and dial, crystal, ect, ect....that was mentioned by enzo. Our goal with these watches is to build an out of the box Fiddy that won't need all the expensive mods. But if you find something else you think would make our fully modded watches more "perfect" feel free to let us know. If so many members hadn't told us the 0117 case was NEEDED Angus wouldn't have worked so hard to make it happen. But since you crybabies have to have everything perfect we have to go the extra mile and work harder. Damn you and your knowledge. :wink:

Put together the perfect fiddy per the minor complaints that we've compiled in this thread and as long as it's not outrageously priced you will sell MANY MANY of them.