thanks for any input guys a dealerhas said this is in stock so might help you guys out searching for this, if it is what it is!
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111N What version do i have coming? pics inside
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thanks for any input guys a dealerhas said this is in stock so might help you guys out searching for this, if it is what it is!
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It is not easy with these pics to say something definitive
It is the reason for the confusions
I have enlarged the pics and so we will have better info.
MOVEMENT and SWAN NECK
The flat and matt blue screw and their housing holes seems Noob movement.
The SS polished screw of the main big SS wheels are also flat, like on Noob movement.
The Swan Neck is bad with short micrometric screw, the end of this screw doesn't touch the regulator lever, the inscriptions +/- and the scale marks are little, like in the gen. All that indicates a Noob movement.
CROWN GUARD AND LEVER
Lever roller axle and shape in the roller end are typical from Noob (H maker have different shape more "open" and much more evident roller axle)
The external tip of the lever is rounded typical of Noob (H maker is sharper)
The inner edges on Crown guard are not as "square" than in last better versions. It seems a non last version of CG or a remaked or retouched one. It is the worse thing in this version.
CASEBACK ENGRAVINGS
A clear N series engraving
Difficult to say with this picture how deep is it, in order to determine a new engraving version.
It doesn't seem bad, see the end of the inscription (perhaps engraved), but it is not possible a definitive decision
MAIN HANDS
This is clear, the wtach has PRE-V hands
Therefore, we have a watch PAM 111 N-series from Noob factory, with Pre-V hands, almost correct CG, seemingly with non completely square edges (maybe retouched to look like new version), and possible correct caseback engravings.
Note: After reading the comments from Goin, the fonts on the dial seem really thin too. There is no concordance between PRE-V hands and wrong font (??)
IMO. It cannot be a complete Noob latest version
This is what I can see from the pics
ALE
It is the reason for the confusions
I have enlarged the pics and so we will have better info.
MOVEMENT and SWAN NECK
The flat and matt blue screw and their housing holes seems Noob movement.
The SS polished screw of the main big SS wheels are also flat, like on Noob movement.
The Swan Neck is bad with short micrometric screw, the end of this screw doesn't touch the regulator lever, the inscriptions +/- and the scale marks are little, like in the gen. All that indicates a Noob movement.
CROWN GUARD AND LEVER
Lever roller axle and shape in the roller end are typical from Noob (H maker have different shape more "open" and much more evident roller axle)
The external tip of the lever is rounded typical of Noob (H maker is sharper)
The inner edges on Crown guard are not as "square" than in last better versions. It seems a non last version of CG or a remaked or retouched one. It is the worse thing in this version.
CASEBACK ENGRAVINGS
A clear N series engraving
Difficult to say with this picture how deep is it, in order to determine a new engraving version.
It doesn't seem bad, see the end of the inscription (perhaps engraved), but it is not possible a definitive decision
MAIN HANDS
This is clear, the wtach has PRE-V hands
Therefore, we have a watch PAM 111 N-series from Noob factory, with Pre-V hands, almost correct CG, seemingly with non completely square edges (maybe retouched to look like new version), and possible correct caseback engravings.
Note: After reading the comments from Goin, the fonts on the dial seem really thin too. There is no concordance between PRE-V hands and wrong font (??)
IMO. It cannot be a complete Noob latest version
This is what I can see from the pics
ALE
Thankyou ALE as ever your input is very appreciated, top member here!!!!
thanks everyone really looking forward to this one
latest version or not
thanks everyone really looking forward to this one
latest version or notMan, if there is any Panerai question.. Ale is the man with the plan. The most helpful person on this side of RWI for sure
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Many thanks my friend
But I think that this is not fair for many heplful and useful people in this place !!
Now on vacation I have more free time !!
ALE
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Why would anyone want Pre-V hands on a modern Pam 111? It is completely inaccurate, am I wrong, what am I missing here???
Gen 111
Gen 111
Gen111N is with preV hands , including 112 , 000 , 005 .. , all these basic models are preV hands now .
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Hasn't been discussed that Officine Panerai launches a model, say the 111n and then somehow some watches have Pre V hands and some modern hands? So, now the Noob people are following their steps either by accident or circumstance? Interesting to say the least.
Not only hands , sausage models like 000 & 005 , the dial is with different lume apply .
The N-series is closer to PreA models , drill the dial then apply the lume to even .
The N-series is closer to PreA models , drill the dial then apply the lume to even .
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+1 I agree
Thanks going
Curiously it seems that 2012 O-sewries will come with Modern Hands again !!
Please confirm if someone has information about this matter
ALE
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That was awesome, ALE
So what is this, Noob mixing in old parts (CG) ?
Thanks Polonus
Yes, like a lot of PAM 111-N-series from Noob of last months, it seems a new batch watch but with an old CG. But maybe the dial is wrong too.
As always I say in this matter about PAM 111-N-series Noob, the versions war is just started !
What a complicated future when people start seliing their PAM 111 N watches.
There is a lot of confusion about the new versions, people will wish to sell their "old" (?-about six months old) watches to get the "new" versions and there will be a lot of pre-owned sales of this model.
Since the improvements in the versions and the own versions are not well defined, there will be a lot of threads asking " What version is this PAM 111 ?" "What are the improvements you can see in this version?" "Is this a V2.5?" and so...
I'm going to prepare the links to the threads related to this curious matter...In order to save time
And I would advice all PCTeam to do the same !!
ALE
That was awesome, ALE
Many thanks for your kind words my friends.
But this is a merit of all people participating in this thread.
Form the PCTeam: gianton, Goin, Polonus, marlin ... and other members like the OP fordystar, GFlansburg, granvino...
I just have a lot of info from the creation of the PAM GUIDE and on vacation I have more free time... LOL
Thanks again.
ALE