111h IS THIS SWISS or ASIAN UNITAS ?

[kaniel]

Is this SWISS or ASIAN UNITAS? How can you difference it?

What do you think??

 

[smascarinas]

good question.. how would you tell?

 

[COLDI]

asian

 

[Cynikal.Mindset]

incabloc tells me its asian

 

[kaniel]

ok!!

Thank you!!

 

[smascarinas]

can someone explain the whole incabloc thing? I can never see it in a movment.. can someone highlight it in a pic?

 

[COLDI]

The jewel in the center of the dagger on top of the balance wheel

 

[smascarinas]

easier said then understood... do you mean this?

The jewel in the center of the dagger on top of the balance wheel

so what does the swiss look like? got a pic?

 

[cybee]

Yep that's the incabloc. The other types are novodiac which is common and kif types found in higher end watches.

 

[sead1999]

on the other note also on the swiss balance wheel is bigger

 

[Wiz]

Swiss version has an ETA stamping under the balance wheel. Some old Asians also does, so stamping doesn't automaticly means the movement is swiss, but if there is no stamping, it's surely asian.

 

[smascarinas]

Novodiac Spring

 

[Lorentzo]

Also you can tell by the balance wheel legs. They are flared. Swiss are more straight (or even turned in a little) where they connect to the outer part of the wheel.

 

[black_shark]

Also you can tell by the balance wheel legs. They are flared. Swiss are more straight (or even turned in a little) where they connect to the outer part of the wheel.

Easiest way!

 

[Wiz]

Also you can tell by the balance wheel legs. They are flared. Swiss are more straight (or even turned in a little) where they connect to the outer part of the wheel.

Unfortunately this is not a reliable tell. There are different grades of Swiss 6497 with different types of balance assemblies.

The following 2 are Swiss for example.

 

[Lorentzo]

Sorry, didnt know that. Thanks for pointing it out wiz! Though I suppose you can still use it as a hint. But maybe not to 100 % certainty.

Is this one Asian or Swiss?

 

[smascarinas]

your pic is broken...

Sorry, didnt know that. Thanks for pointing it out wiz! Though I suppose you can still use it as a hint. But maybe not to 100 % certainty.

Is this one Asian or Swiss?

 

[RobbDizzle]

I'm still confused. This:

looks the same to me as this:

Is it just because the "flares" on the retainer come in to the center more on the A6497 versus the ETA?

 

[phillycheez]

Using only the spring (kif, incabloc, novodiac) to figure out if its not Asian is not a good "tell" alone but does add validity with other tells.

I've been educating myself all day on 2824's (with smids help)... seems the 6497s are even harder to tell just by following this thread.

A novodiac spring just means its probably a high grade swiss movement. But other springs can easily be found in swiss 6497's.

Here rob... I found something comparable to what you are trying to analyze...

Here is a gen Pam movement.

Also just found this...

http://www.rwgforum.com/topic/77692-movement-review-asian-6497-2-216k-bph/

 

[Wiz]

Sorry, didnt know that. Thanks for pointing it out wiz! Though I suppose you can still use it as a hint. But maybe not to 100 % certainty.

Is this one Asian or Swiss?

Hard to tell without a better pic

The first 2 things to look at to determine if a 6497 is Swiss or Asian is the engraving under the balance wheel and the little"notch" on the pic below.
If these 2 are present, the movement is most likely Swiss.

Unfortunately the shock spring and the balance wheel legs are not really reliable tells.