Hello just wondering ho has the best Deep Sea version for sale?
How is Honts? please give me som information
Regards
How is Honts? please give me som information
Regards
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edit: removed by d4m, (remember the whole Hambone blow up? Issues over editing out a dealer that has been removed from this forum (for price fixing and bullying other dealers, etc.., and not giving him free advertising on this forum) That's why your link was messed up.. it is censored so this forum, the one that removed him, no longer gives him free advertising.
Every single one of the dealers here (maybe not silix?? ) can offer that same watch from the same factory, sending them to Josh instead of someone who is approved here is undermines our stand on bad business practices that the cartel have used.
My bad. I didn't realize. There's absolutely no problem here!
You are always welcome to edit my posts in the best interests of the forum.
Every single one of the dealers here (maybe not silix?? ) can offer that same watch from the same factory, sending them to Josh instead of someone who is approved here is undermines our stand on bad business practices that the cartel have used.
My bad. I didn't realize. There's absolutely no problem here!
You are always welcome to edit my posts in the best interests of the forum.
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i probably went overboard in my explanation of my edit in your thread, it's because of the recent hambone issue which is why I explain myself to the point I did.
I know you were trying to help the guy,, I understand, but want to reiterate, we removed that dealer along with his buddy because of their manipulation of the factory middle men to prevent the distribution of new watches to dealers like Ruby and Hont as well as a one other whom I promised I would never tell in public. They attempt to price fix and when they were unsuccessful, they resorted to being watch thugs, cartel, and push their agenda.
People get mad at us for taking our stand, but completely forget that it is for the membership that we do it. We were the ONLY forum to take a stand against the cartel, and we were told that they could never be replaced, and they were,, easily,, with people who provide the same service, same watches from the same factories yet provide them for less.
That is our position and we will stick to it.
Again,, long explanation but I feel you must know why we do what we do.
I know you were trying to help the guy,, I understand, but want to reiterate, we removed that dealer along with his buddy because of their manipulation of the factory middle men to prevent the distribution of new watches to dealers like Ruby and Hont as well as a one other whom I promised I would never tell in public. They attempt to price fix and when they were unsuccessful, they resorted to being watch thugs, cartel, and push their agenda.
People get mad at us for taking our stand, but completely forget that it is for the membership that we do it. We were the ONLY forum to take a stand against the cartel, and we were told that they could never be replaced, and they were,, easily,, with people who provide the same service, same watches from the same factories yet provide them for less.
That is our position and we will stick to it.
Again,, long explanation but I feel you must know why we do what we do.
This is one of the better models
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/rolex-dssd-same-factory-milguass-47086
PS if you would feel better if I told you as the cartel does this is 316F stainless steel I will because there is no way on Gods earth you will be able to disprove or prove otherwise
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/rolex-dssd-same-factory-milguass-47086
PS if you would feel better if I told you as the cartel does this is 316F stainless steel I will because there is no way on Gods earth you will be able to disprove or prove otherwise
316L on the bottom, 316F on the top. The difference may be attributed to the level of polishing on one Vs the other...
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I just put up a review with pics of D4M's DSSD (V5) here: http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/major-kudos-for-d4m-pic-47379?t=47379
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@thinkbachs,
What I'm trying to say is this, Josh and Andrew do not hold the market on that watch, it is obtainable by just about any GZ dealer, ones here. That's why the outside link was edited out, not the inside one that you censored out.
What I'm trying to say is this, Josh and Andrew do not hold the market on that watch, it is obtainable by just about any GZ dealer, ones here. That's why the outside link was edited out, not the inside one that you censored out.
@D4M,
I'm good with it all!
It's the only one that I knew of which is why I posted the link. If there are other dealers that have it, I just haven't seen it yet. I spoke with Neo at EuroTimez who said he could get it, but things are a little strange on their site meaning they talk about the newer version, and show pics of the newer version but don't have a good description and don't mention what it's made of- except on the previous ultimate version. He also failed to include the price or reference number so I'm a little nervous about dealing with them and getting what I want rather than playing the back and forth getting it right game.
Seeing the extensive review that lanikai did on the 316 steels, I'm convinced that going with the 316L versions will not meet my expectations. More dated Rolex versions using the 316L is fine with me and certainly just as accurate as gen steel (as far as I know right now), but the brighter steel better represents the newer steel being used by Rolex and is not something that I need a lab to tell me is there, regardless of the opinions of those that believe otherwise. Granted, the difference may be subtle, and probably not distinguishable under many lighting situations, but it's the not-so-subtle lighting situations that make the difference.
I've read countless threads from people who obsess over lume brightness and/or color, DW fonts, bezel colors, dial gloss, link edges, lug hole sizes, logo feet... I can't remember a time when I've ever told another member that something didn't matter when they felt it was important to them- actually, I've always appreciated that there are people out there that obsess over details. Whether I see it or not, the fact that they have a hobby they take seriously and have a passion for is something that deserves respect. Without them, the ordinary becomes great and inadequate becomes acceptable.
Regarding dealers that would say that there's no difference, I would feel much more comfortable working with one that says "in my opinion there's not much difference but I can certainly get you what you need," rather than flat out denying that there is a difference. This attitude personally causes me to thing that the dealer doesn't know the difference, doesn't care about the perceptions of the customer, or is more concerned about selling stock that he/she has readily available. True or untrue, this is my opinion, and just as others are entitled to theirs, I've decided that going forward I'm going to be less hesitant to express mine.
I'm good with it all!
It's the only one that I knew of which is why I posted the link. If there are other dealers that have it, I just haven't seen it yet. I spoke with Neo at EuroTimez who said he could get it, but things are a little strange on their site meaning they talk about the newer version, and show pics of the newer version but don't have a good description and don't mention what it's made of- except on the previous ultimate version. He also failed to include the price or reference number so I'm a little nervous about dealing with them and getting what I want rather than playing the back and forth getting it right game.
Seeing the extensive review that lanikai did on the 316 steels, I'm convinced that going with the 316L versions will not meet my expectations. More dated Rolex versions using the 316L is fine with me and certainly just as accurate as gen steel (as far as I know right now), but the brighter steel better represents the newer steel being used by Rolex and is not something that I need a lab to tell me is there, regardless of the opinions of those that believe otherwise. Granted, the difference may be subtle, and probably not distinguishable under many lighting situations, but it's the not-so-subtle lighting situations that make the difference.
I've read countless threads from people who obsess over lume brightness and/or color, DW fonts, bezel colors, dial gloss, link edges, lug hole sizes, logo feet... I can't remember a time when I've ever told another member that something didn't matter when they felt it was important to them- actually, I've always appreciated that there are people out there that obsess over details. Whether I see it or not, the fact that they have a hobby they take seriously and have a passion for is something that deserves respect. Without them, the ordinary becomes great and inadequate becomes acceptable.
Regarding dealers that would say that there's no difference, I would feel much more comfortable working with one that says "in my opinion there's not much difference but I can certainly get you what you need," rather than flat out denying that there is a difference. This attitude personally causes me to thing that the dealer doesn't know the difference, doesn't care about the perceptions of the customer, or is more concerned about selling stock that he/she has readily available. True or untrue, this is my opinion, and just as others are entitled to theirs, I've decided that going forward I'm going to be less hesitant to express mine.
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on a funny note,, I just thought they DID NOT dunk the brighter one in motor oil like they do the duller one. lol
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Please, get the duller 316L sold by people that will tell you it doesn't matter, it makes the rest of us look better!
Think Bachs, it's all in the finish mate. Depends on how it's brushed. We have a cpl of metallurgists here who have stated that the difference is clost to non exixtant.
316F how ever is about $1000 dollars a ton cheaper tho as well as not being as resistant to salt water. You don't think that the fact it's cheaper may have something to do with the sudden urge to supply us with 316F cases?
Col.
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316L
ElementWeight %C 0.03 Mn 2.00 Si 1.00 Cr 16.0-18.0 Ni 10.0-14.0 P 0.045 S 0.03 Mo 2.0-3.0
316F
ElementWeight %C 0.08 Mn 2.00 Si 1.00 Cr 16.0-18.0 Ni 10.0-14.0 P 0.2 S 0.10 (min) Mo 1.75-2.5
nickel content is the same... so should not make much of a difference in the whiteness.
Carbon content is slightly higher, so should be slightly harder, i am not an expert in steel, but to me those differences are subtle...
so 316F is just a marketing strategy.
ElementWeight %C 0.03 Mn 2.00 Si 1.00 Cr 16.0-18.0 Ni 10.0-14.0 P 0.045 S 0.03 Mo 2.0-3.0
316F
ElementWeight %C 0.08 Mn 2.00 Si 1.00 Cr 16.0-18.0 Ni 10.0-14.0 P 0.2 S 0.10 (min) Mo 1.75-2.5
nickel content is the same... so should not make much of a difference in the whiteness.
Carbon content is slightly higher, so should be slightly harder, i am not an expert in steel, but to me those differences are subtle...
so 316F is just a marketing strategy.
Of course it is you would think people would realize by now but obviously not some are still naive enough to beleive what is said.
The factories are incapable of telling the truth they would get thrown out of hell for the lies they tell!
OK, so I've posted this question on a metal polishing forum that I'm a member of and hopefully I'll get some input either way that I hope will help. From this point forward, I'll be keeping an open mind on this subject. I'm thinking that it might also be worth finding a place that will send me a sample of both metals that I can polish them the same to see what results I get.
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I think that polished to an inch of their lives there MAY be a slight difference but it would be very small if any. Brushed it depends on the finish how "white" things look.
If you can get your hands on a pair of links, matt them down with 1200 W&D (for a base line) and then polish them right up you should be able to tell. Then brush 'em both the same and have another look. Be interesting to see but all the info I have read from folk who know metal says there should be no difference brushed and praticly none polished.
I firmly belive the reason we are seeing 316F reps is that the steel is cheaper. The factories and the Jandrew Sisters have simply come up with a great way of selling us a cheaper product for more money.
Besides, the only dealer who has never held back the inside line from us agrees. We have learned more from Robert than all the rest put together.
The real deal Rolex steel is another story entirly. It does have a higher nickel content so it is a little brighter. It's still barely noticable tho. There are some pics somewhere by (I think) By_tor compareing 316C, 316F reps and a gen. Side by side you can see a very slight difference between the reps and the new steel (whatever it is Rolex are using now, I forget) gen but not between the two reps. I think they are in a thread on the subject at RWG2, anyone got linkege? The guy who did the tests on WM9's gold links made comment too, he knows stuff!
Suffice to say, without being directly side by side I doubt you could tell so unless you are holding hands with a gen wearer who's a lefty, ya ain't gunna notice.
Col.
If you can get your hands on a pair of links, matt them down with 1200 W&D (for a base line) and then polish them right up you should be able to tell. Then brush 'em both the same and have another look. Be interesting to see but all the info I have read from folk who know metal says there should be no difference brushed and praticly none polished.
I firmly belive the reason we are seeing 316F reps is that the steel is cheaper. The factories and the Jandrew Sisters have simply come up with a great way of selling us a cheaper product for more money.
Besides, the only dealer who has never held back the inside line from us agrees. We have learned more from Robert than all the rest put together.
The real deal Rolex steel is another story entirly. It does have a higher nickel content so it is a little brighter. It's still barely noticable tho. There are some pics somewhere by (I think) By_tor compareing 316C, 316F reps and a gen. Side by side you can see a very slight difference between the reps and the new steel (whatever it is Rolex are using now, I forget) gen but not between the two reps. I think they are in a thread on the subject at RWG2, anyone got linkege? The guy who did the tests on WM9's gold links made comment too, he knows stuff!
Suffice to say, without being directly side by side I doubt you could tell so unless you are holding hands with a gen wearer who's a lefty, ya ain't gunna notice.
Col.
Thank you for your response. As far as the comment above, I'm sure that's true. Interesting fellow though...