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3646 Kampfschwimmer, 47mm, Cortebert Project
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Im not sure exactly what it should look like, as Ive never paid attention to this particular model... But I love it, and will definitely look a little closer at them.
Looks like alot of work went it to this project and it looks great!
T
Looks like alot of work went it to this project and it looks great!
T
this is a very special watch in the real world..a truly vintage..you need to gooo more then that...if your love panerai .u will know where and what is this watch is !
hi the meaning of the writting is not that cool "einsatzgruppen" was the germain nazi ss platoon that use to cover all the eastern europe and there purpose was only to kill the jews and burn villages,they were different platoon of thousand soldiers all over estern europe like russia poland estonia ect ect and "kampf" mean "fight" as "combat" so as you see the meaning is not so nice,but now when you see those replica panerai they took off the einsatzgruppen word,for sure they had complain about it,i am sure they did not know what it was.frenzalrhomb said:
hope i got your answer!!!
powell said:
Sorry your translation is not correct....
"Watches for Combat Divers
A delight for the collector are the wristwatches for the combat swimmers, the 'KampfschwimmerUhren'. As late as 1944, when the battleship Tirpitz was damaged by British minisubmarines, the Kriegsmarine founded the K-Verband, the command for small combat equipment for the Navy, e.g., for combat swimmers and manned torpedos. The command was located in Heiligenhafen at the Baltic sea.
The German intelligence service (Abwehr im Reichs-Sicherheits-Hauptamt) had close connections to the Italian services of the Reggia Marina since 1942. By this connection, the German combat group got equipment such as the Rolex Kampf-Schwimmer-watches, mostly unmarked, but engraved by the men themselves. German combat swimmers were active in the last days of the war, in rivers like the Rhine, destroying bridges occupied by the Allied Forces. An example is the bridge of Nymwegen. These activities were very secret with no official declaration"
Cheers Helmut
hey helmut
i guess you complete my translation of course you are all the way right as for the kampfschwimmer meaning.
but there is another word that does not have his place on the watch that you maybe miss out its "einsatzgruppen"(German: Special-operation units) were SS paramilitary groups that took part in the systematic killing of mostly civilians throughout occupied Eastern Europe during World War II. and what i said about it was accurate;google it and you wiil see what this word mean;like i said they stop engrave this word on the REP PAM they might had problem about it for sure.
here for knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen
i guess you complete my translation of course you are all the way right as for the kampfschwimmer meaning.
but there is another word that does not have his place on the watch that you maybe miss out its "einsatzgruppen"(German: Special-operation units) were SS paramilitary groups that took part in the systematic killing of mostly civilians throughout occupied Eastern Europe during World War II. and what i said about it was accurate;google it and you wiil see what this word mean;like i said they stop engrave this word on the REP PAM they might had problem about it for sure.
here for knowledge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einsatzgruppen
earlgrey-erfurt said:
powell, stop whining.
and stop talking about things you have no clue about.
in german, EINSATZ means nothing but active, operational.
firefighters, first response medical units, police etc. are im Einsatz when they are active.
the special marine divers ( like NAVY SEALS ) had nothing to do with SS.
by the way, after the war - the US was the biggest importer of SS scientists, researchers and doctors....
and they didnt mind to use these people for their own benefits.
and stop talking about things you have no clue about.
in german, EINSATZ means nothing but active, operational.
firefighters, first response medical units, police etc. are im Einsatz when they are active.
the special marine divers ( like NAVY SEALS ) had nothing to do with SS.
by the way, after the war - the US was the biggest importer of SS scientists, researchers and doctors....
and they didnt mind to use these people for their own benefits.
Well everyone is very proud with their Panerai vintages, rep or gen, and the thing thats praised above all is the history. They were military instruments, what do you expect? Or do you think some poor nun wore them while tending to ill people or so?
Haven't you noticed how suddenly all kinds of weapons are soo cool and are collector-worthy? Or do you think all those old katanas, tandos and similar werent actually used to kill other human beings with?
Lots of people forget quick and yesterdays villains become todays heroes.. I have other things on my tongue but its best to not mention them, as it'll get political..
Haven't you noticed how suddenly all kinds of weapons are soo cool and are collector-worthy? Or do you think all those old katanas, tandos and similar werent actually used to kill other human beings with?
Lots of people forget quick and yesterdays villains become todays heroes.. I have other things on my tongue but its best to not mention them, as it'll get political..
the whole project looks really great. I like the redish tint. what are the details on the strap?
The Kampfschwimmer is one of the great vintage Panerai watches and this one is a beaut. The "liquidation unit" of the German army is fact but there was never any watch to identify this brutal SS division. like HU said, it is just a hand engraving.
I like this watch you have made a nice job of the dial and hands...its already at a very good standard but if you want to raise the bar further then....
Cortebert movement: though not visible you could have "rolex" engraved on the bridge (kind of nice if you ever open the back to show someone). Also the lugs, you could consider having them brazed but it would mean re-plating the case....
Finally I cant see the buckle....maybe you have an aged buckle to complete the package?...
if you completed none of the above recommendations I still believe you have a very classy watch, there isnt a lot you can do to make it that much better
very well done and thanks for showing...
Cortebert movement: though not visible you could have "rolex" engraved on the bridge (kind of nice if you ever open the back to show someone). Also the lugs, you could consider having them brazed but it would mean re-plating the case....
Finally I cant see the buckle....maybe you have an aged buckle to complete the package?...
if you completed none of the above recommendations I still believe you have a very classy watch, there isnt a lot you can do to make it that much better
very well done and thanks for showing...
