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RANT: Why does the noobmariner have so many flaws?
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alviando said:
Alviando has a good point above.
If you get a real Noob (ask D4M if you want one) :
It has a reliable MVT (same one Fakey uses).
It has possibily the best dial in the biz.
It has a preety damn good case.
It has average CGs.
It has one of the best bracelets in all repdom.
It has lume as good as any rep bar three or four excptions.
Does that sound all that bad for a less than $120 rep?
Read By-Tors reviews on the noobs below.
TT sub: http://forum.replica-watch.info/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=41062
Yacht Master: http://forum.replica-watch.info/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=41065
16610 sub: http://forum.replica-watch.info/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=186&t=9383
Regards, Col.
It's been answered Ad nauseum in multiple threads including this one. I think you just don't like the answer. I said this on the first page.
Because they are a $100 sweatshop copy of a $7000 watch that is made by people who's opinion is 'It is good. Yes close and good'.
Now I'll also add this which I have said 100 times before.
Because they don't need to and don't want to................................................
I know people here like to think that they are important. Don't twist what I am saying. I love the forum. But the people who make these watches sell millions a year. A thousand or two of them are here. And they ain't all Subs. Out of those maybe a few hundred across ALL the fora obsess over CGs. Jesus I see people wanting to change them and don't even know what the changes are because they can't tell. Now the other million don't care. So why in the world would they be bothered with it?
In the grand scheme of things we are irrelevant. that is the reality. You have three choices. Buy the product that is out there understanding you won't get called out. Buy the product and drop some coin to mod it. Walk away and buy a gen.
Because they are a $100 sweatshop copy of a $7000 watch that is made by people who's opinion is 'It is good. Yes close and good'.
Now I'll also add this which I have said 100 times before.
Because they don't need to and don't want to................................................
I know people here like to think that they are important. Don't twist what I am saying. I love the forum. But the people who make these watches sell millions a year. A thousand or two of them are here. And they ain't all Subs. Out of those maybe a few hundred across ALL the fora obsess over CGs. Jesus I see people wanting to change them and don't even know what the changes are because they can't tell. Now the other million don't care. So why in the world would they be bothered with it?
In the grand scheme of things we are irrelevant. that is the reality. You have three choices. Buy the product that is out there understanding you won't get called out. Buy the product and drop some coin to mod it. Walk away and buy a gen.
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I was at a party on the weekend. One of those there was a family friend. She has sold high end watches for close on forty years. I wearing my noob.
Siting beside me she remarked that it was a pity the pearl was missing from my 16610 (droped out eons ago). Yep, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS REAL UNTILL I HABDED IT TO HER AND SHE REALISED THE EDGES ON THE BRACLET WERE TOO SHARP. She then spent ten minutes examing it closely. The only thing she picked was the noisey rotor, crown and low beat. She never picked the CGs!
Fakey is right, the only peeps who obcess over CGs are us. No one else (inc ADs) even notices.
The host handed around a lovely gen TT daytona and a TT (BLK and YG) Rado Sintra after that and I sorta forgot about the sub entirly
Nicest looking Rado I've ever seen and the buggers don't appear to rep it.
Col.
Siting beside me she remarked that it was a pity the pearl was missing from my 16610 (droped out eons ago). Yep, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS REAL UNTILL I HABDED IT TO HER AND SHE REALISED THE EDGES ON THE BRACLET WERE TOO SHARP. She then spent ten minutes examing it closely. The only thing she picked was the noisey rotor, crown and low beat. She never picked the CGs!
Fakey is right, the only peeps who obcess over CGs are us. No one else (inc ADs) even notices.
The host handed around a lovely gen TT daytona and a TT (BLK and YG) Rado Sintra after that and I sorta forgot about the sub entirly
Nicest looking Rado I've ever seen and the buggers don't appear to rep it.
Col.
Lol wow nice story man. What do you mean the edges on the bracelet are too sharp? Have they fixed those now with the noobmariners? And wow, so the host handed out real gens to you after the dinner? Did they even know you had a fakey or just the lady that saw your watch?
hehe, I haven't kept up on this post lately. I usually just read the new posts, so only if it comes up.
To clarify, I wrote that post not long ago when I was brand new to the hobby and didn't know better. I guess you are all right and wrong in some way. Great answers but no one has really given a sufficient answer. Maybe there isn't one.
I was using the term "Noobmariner" loosely to mean a beginmariner for around $100 and not thee "Noobmariner". True you would be hard press to find all of those flaws I listed on one watch, but rather a collection of possible flaws commonly seen on varying beginmariners from different factories. I guess there are so many flaws b/c they all come from so many different sources with varying QC and tolerances.
My question still stands at why so many flaws WHEN other reps around a $100 have relatively so few flaws. Yes, I understand .....
-these watches are made by sweat shop kids
-that they can and will sell them as they are (flaws and all)
-that demand maybe outweighs supply
-that good and good enuf are accepted standards b/c its a $100 copy of a $7000 watch.
-that it is only a rep and not the real thing, and reps have flaws period the end.
-that im insignificant and it's only a $100.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to get a gen like 1:1 copy for a $100. I know that is not based in reality. My question and fustration still is rooted at the fact that we do have some reps that are very very close to their gen for around $100, but not the beginmariner. This is a mystery to me b/c the beginmariner is probably the best selling rep of all time. You would think that it would be in their best interest to produce a good or great copy of this watch as oppose to closely repping other brands that maybe don't sell as many. I will accept that at the end of the day, they still sell millions of these crappy copies, so there's no need to improve them.
It would just make more sense to me to make a great copy if you're going to go through the trouble of making a bad copy. But that's just me...
To clarify, I wrote that post not long ago when I was brand new to the hobby and didn't know better. I guess you are all right and wrong in some way. Great answers but no one has really given a sufficient answer. Maybe there isn't one.
I was using the term "Noobmariner" loosely to mean a beginmariner for around $100 and not thee "Noobmariner". True you would be hard press to find all of those flaws I listed on one watch, but rather a collection of possible flaws commonly seen on varying beginmariners from different factories. I guess there are so many flaws b/c they all come from so many different sources with varying QC and tolerances.
My question still stands at why so many flaws WHEN other reps around a $100 have relatively so few flaws. Yes, I understand .....
-these watches are made by sweat shop kids
-that they can and will sell them as they are (flaws and all)
-that demand maybe outweighs supply
-that good and good enuf are accepted standards b/c its a $100 copy of a $7000 watch.
-that it is only a rep and not the real thing, and reps have flaws period the end.
-that im insignificant and it's only a $100.
Don't misunderstand me, I'm not trying to get a gen like 1:1 copy for a $100. I know that is not based in reality. My question and fustration still is rooted at the fact that we do have some reps that are very very close to their gen for around $100, but not the beginmariner. This is a mystery to me b/c the beginmariner is probably the best selling rep of all time. You would think that it would be in their best interest to produce a good or great copy of this watch as oppose to closely repping other brands that maybe don't sell as many. I will accept that at the end of the day, they still sell millions of these crappy copies, so there's no need to improve them.
It would just make more sense to me to make a great copy if you're going to go through the trouble of making a bad copy. But that's just me...
And the fact that people would buy them this flawed is the reason why they allow these standards to release them this flawed... and at this price... If we would all stop buying them this flawed and at this price, maybe they will make the near perfection 1:1 at a very high price... such as 600 dollars that we will then buy. or save up to buy. They then will make money and realize that this is what they must do with all watches to make their money. They will then stop making sloppy 1:5 replicas. Because all we're doing is feeding them money and telling them that this is what we want and this is what we will pay for.
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KillerD said:
Na, he knows my cheap tastes
The host is a client of mine as well as a friend of the family. Not only does he hand out gens at partys, he lends me watches for good occaisions. He collects watches like most folk collect baseball cards. He was just showing off his latest. Real nice Rado. Usualy they are a love 'em or hate 'em but this 'un got an allmost universal vote of approval. Looks like a Jubilee with gold around the perimiter of each link and a crystal that goes to the edges of the case.
Most rep Rolex bracelets are too sharp on the edges of the links,the gens are ever so slightly rounded. It''s an easy fix, a half hour with some fine sandpaper. I've just never bothered with this beater as it gets worn every day. The only reason I wore it was I'd just removed a heap of over spray and polished it.
Col.
So if a few guys here stopped buying them they would quit making the other million? I say you start a petition on the forum. :lol:
why would a rep company rep all these things to detail? They would be crazy to. For 99% of the people that buy this all they want is the name ROLEX. As for us (the other 1%) they probably know whats wrong with it. But why should they fix it? MARKETING...now hear me out. Why would any company knowingly produce something and know a year or so down they road they can fix something small like the cg's. Because we will notice it and want to buy another. So instead of just buying one sub, we buy many as they slowly update them. Then again thats my .02
Big problem here are peoples idea of factories.
There are no factories as we in the west understand them.
Where they get a lump of steel in one end and a watch comes out the other end
Factory in the Rep world means a place where they put various parts together to make a complete watch.
That is the reason you get such variation on the same watch,all parts are sourced from manufacturers of the particular part.
If that manufacturer is out of stock they buy from somewhere else and so it will vary
It is a huge industry and sellers need to produce to keep alive so they don't have the luxury of choosing only the very best dial or the very best case etc they get an order and need to get it out and sold.
I know the people in Bangkok who are the Noob factory people you would be amazed how many watches they produce and equally amazed at the small set up they have.
I have seen them running around the market to buy parts to finish an order buying anything that looks close and will do the job.
They have no interest in producing items that will pass loupe scutiny because 99.9% of their customers are clueless as to what is right and what is wrong.
All they are interested in is getting them out the door and to buyers.
We see these threads so often about some Loupe member finding flaws with the reps and moaning about how it could be but isn't.
Fact is that it doesn't get any better than it is at this stage in the rep buisness.
The watches currently being produced are light years ahead of what was being produced 10 years ago and more than good enough for the bigger part of the market.
The members that need to veiw things through a loupe are forever going to be disappointed because no one cares what they think they are such a small market that the factories don't care less if they buy them or not .
Factories are not going to cater to a small group of buyers and disrupt the main buisness just never going to happen so all the moaning about this not being correct etc is a waste of time as far as factories are concerned once and for all understand they don't care it doesn't suit you.
There are no factories as we in the west understand them.
Where they get a lump of steel in one end and a watch comes out the other end
Factory in the Rep world means a place where they put various parts together to make a complete watch.
That is the reason you get such variation on the same watch,all parts are sourced from manufacturers of the particular part.
If that manufacturer is out of stock they buy from somewhere else and so it will vary
It is a huge industry and sellers need to produce to keep alive so they don't have the luxury of choosing only the very best dial or the very best case etc they get an order and need to get it out and sold.
I know the people in Bangkok who are the Noob factory people you would be amazed how many watches they produce and equally amazed at the small set up they have.
I have seen them running around the market to buy parts to finish an order buying anything that looks close and will do the job.
They have no interest in producing items that will pass loupe scutiny because 99.9% of their customers are clueless as to what is right and what is wrong.
All they are interested in is getting them out the door and to buyers.
We see these threads so often about some Loupe member finding flaws with the reps and moaning about how it could be but isn't.
Fact is that it doesn't get any better than it is at this stage in the rep buisness.
The watches currently being produced are light years ahead of what was being produced 10 years ago and more than good enough for the bigger part of the market.
The members that need to veiw things through a loupe are forever going to be disappointed because no one cares what they think they are such a small market that the factories don't care less if they buy them or not .
Factories are not going to cater to a small group of buyers and disrupt the main buisness just never going to happen so all the moaning about this not being correct etc is a waste of time as far as factories are concerned once and for all understand they don't care it doesn't suit you.
Yes I am sure we will have another thread from a member who doesn't like the answer and thinks asking again will alter the reply
Trust me. When you spend your time picking the best of every part to use. You don't make money because you end up tossing half of it and eating the costs.
Time4Direct said:
ding..ding..ding.. We have a winner folks! OK Now Im satisfied. Mods please lock this thread up. JK :mrgreen: Thanks for the direct answer T4D.
fakemaster said:
Sounds like you've been there and done that.
alviando said:@tranman I wish I can lock up this thread but so far nothing has been said or done to warrant the locking of this thread, it is a good topic for discussion and I think that it is also good for the new members to read
Cheers
alviando
Alviando, I was just kidding about locking it down since some of the members are so sick of the topic already. I say if it bugs you that much, then don't reply.
This is a great topic and ought to be talked about over and over just like the other popular question, "who's got the best sub?" :mrgreen: