[smilie=alien.gif] Love to have this too.. HOw the quality. Spec please.vdubgrub said:my unbranded DSN PAM and LOVING it
The buckle is branded. Thought it was a cool combo.
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Would you still buy the rep without the Brand name Printed
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I'm with the addict on this one.swissaddict said:
I have an Invicta 9937, the one with the 26J ETA movement and coin-edge bezel. It cost me about $280. It's the most comfortable watch I own. The 316L steel bracelet looks better than any rep bracelet I own. But I only wear it around the house and in the pool. Why? It doesn't say "Rolex" or "Breitling" on the dial.
Vain humans, us.
optimis9 said:[smilie=alien.gif] Love to have this too.. HOw the quality. Spec please.vdubgrub said:my unbranded DSN PAM and LOVING it
The buckle is branded. Thought it was a cool combo.
Uhm, its the ETA movement from DSN. TI case and Tootall strap. Thats all I know.
Yes I would buy the so-called replica if it didn't carry the brand name.
I buy the watch (genuine/replica/hommage) not because of the brand name but of the
look and mechanics.
Like someone else stated earlier I also considering making my own PAM-styled watch with a genuine
swiss eta movement but without any brand name on it. So kind of the watch that vdubgrub shows.
Nice and clean.
I buy the watch (genuine/replica/hommage) not because of the brand name but of the
look and mechanics.
Like someone else stated earlier I also considering making my own PAM-styled watch with a genuine
swiss eta movement but without any brand name on it. So kind of the watch that vdubgrub shows.
Nice and clean.
I see two different elements to this hobby, watch collecting and watch building.
No offence intended to anyone, but personally I just don't get the 'look at me I'm wearing a Rolex" thing so the branding in that sense doesn't matter to me. However, if I'm putting together say a Rolex collection and the only way I can show a 5210 & 5217 is with a good rep I'd have no issues in saying that it's a replica.
My interest tends to be more in putting together a replica of an interesting watch where parts identical or very close to the original are findable with diligent searching, to build something unique and usable that's as good if not better than the original, and for a price that's only a fraction of what an original would be ............... if you could find one and if you would ever then dare wear it.
In that sense the branding is not important (to me, ymmv) and in fact making a sterile version can have advantages.
This is very much along the same lines as how the Replica or 'Kit' car enthusiasts work. Very few owners in the privileged position of being able to find and afford an original Porsche Speedster or Ford GT40 would be willing to use it as a daily driver but the replicas make ownership and use of something very similar, possible for many enthusiasts. Owners of say a Chesil Speedster will proudly let you know that it's a Chesil, in a similar way to how some rep makers have a reputation all of their own - JZF, JL, DSN etc.
No offence intended to anyone, but personally I just don't get the 'look at me I'm wearing a Rolex" thing so the branding in that sense doesn't matter to me. However, if I'm putting together say a Rolex collection and the only way I can show a 5210 & 5217 is with a good rep I'd have no issues in saying that it's a replica.
My interest tends to be more in putting together a replica of an interesting watch where parts identical or very close to the original are findable with diligent searching, to build something unique and usable that's as good if not better than the original, and for a price that's only a fraction of what an original would be ............... if you could find one and if you would ever then dare wear it.
In that sense the branding is not important (to me, ymmv) and in fact making a sterile version can have advantages.
This is very much along the same lines as how the Replica or 'Kit' car enthusiasts work. Very few owners in the privileged position of being able to find and afford an original Porsche Speedster or Ford GT40 would be willing to use it as a daily driver but the replicas make ownership and use of something very similar, possible for many enthusiasts. Owners of say a Chesil Speedster will proudly let you know that it's a Chesil, in a similar way to how some rep makers have a reputation all of their own - JZF, JL, DSN etc.
As a general rule, I actually prefer no branding on car, clothes, electronics,... and watches. the overall design, if original, shouldn't need branding. I wish Rolex didn't put all that writing on their dials; it's unnecessary and I think it cheapens the look of the instruments.
This isa an oldie. I still hold by what I said on page 1. People buy reps for a reason. They want that name on there to impress people. But many have no concept of quality and value. They want a $700 watch for $100 that is as good as the $10,000 watch it is a copy of. Yeah I know I still have trouble following that one but it's true. A PAM watch with no Panerai on it is exactly what it looks like. A knockoff brand that a guy who can't afford a real PAM buys. And most don't want to be viewed that way. And as SA said, those who don't care buy Invicta.
fakemaster said:
I agree that most folks look for the branding but, personally, I'm not fond of unnecessary writing on gens and would be interested in seeing classic original designs (a sub, a JL reverso,...) with no (necessary) writing on the dial... gen or rep, actually. As for the Invicta, they have writing on their dials all the same... it doesn't add anything either... same difference. But I may have misunderstood the original question...
fakemaster said:
Got me there, Fake. But I don't agreed with SA.
I have three a few gen myself, Omega, Rolex, Catier, Tag, Seiko etc. But I couldn't find the more satisfaction from them than from my Rep ( I have 2 thats been 3 years running). It just didn't feel more.
So from the time I found the good rep, I have stop buying gen. The only draw back of the rep is when people ask about it. I tell them the truth thats it a rep, but in my circle, you sometime get the unspoken vibe of uneasiness. So I'm thinking of a not branded one. But as you said I don't want to be view as the guy who buy knockoff because I couldn't afford a gen.
However, I look at the cheaper brand like SA said, Invicta , including my Seiko, and I don't feel that there finishing is as good as the rep I have. Any what about the Toy Watch and Vabien that's been so popular recently. Its crap compare to a similar price rep.
Unlike others I don't buy reps because they have the name on them. I truly DO like the way they look. The problem is I know what it actually costs to make a gen so buying one is a total ripoff. But as I said for others it's about prestige. If it wasn't I assure there there'd be a Fakey brand floating around.
fakemaster said:
I agree with you that there are a lot of people who buy stuff for the brand so they can impress the people around them (the prestige factor).
I myself don't care about what other people think of me. Most of the time I wear or buy brands that the people around me don't know. For me it's more important that I like the way it looks/ the specifications/ the quality. For example last year the same time that a friend of mine bought a headset I just bought a headset. He bought a Bose because of the look and because it's Bose. I bought a Grado because its specifications.
Like Para I prefer clothing without the branding prominently displayed anywhere.
A lot of people here seem to be buying rep for looks. So why is there no dealer offering option of exact same good quality rep without the brand?
Dealer please..
Dealer please..
No.
Actually I've been phasing out of reps too.
Probably will consolidate and just have two or three good gens.
Actually I've been phasing out of reps too.
Probably will consolidate and just have two or three good gens.
fakemaster said:
Based on previous projects, I imagine I would go banana over a fakey line... [smilie=blob9.gif]
I imagine no writing/logo on dial, but an awesome engraving on caseback, and/or a cool logo on crown, and/or some signature Fakey detail...
... but previous threads have demonstrated that I don't have a good pulse of what gathers interest when it comes to reps.
optimis9 said:
DSN's James123Chen bucket is just that.
Chris W's (Flav) 'Sterile Watch Co.'
Me A sterile (or homage) is a much easier watch to produce well. With historic watches you can only really do an accurate rep of just one production run of a watch (really of just one specific watch) as changes do occur from batch to batch.
fakemaster said:
I have a DSN unbranded PAM just because I like how it looks. I like the simplicity personally. When people ask what it is I just say it's a custom watch because it kind of is and in my circle of friends no one has any clue of what a Panerai is. Face and movement from DSN and band from Old Skool. Sometimes its nice to just have a simple watch that makes you feel good and doesn't have writing all over it. Just my opinion though. I just buy replicas because of their looks moreso than their name...and I can buy more of them [smilie=angel12.gif]
Yeah i would buy it, provided the logo isnt too big a part of the design of the watch itself. Then again, I dont like those kinds of watches much
I would even be ready to pay a small bit more for the unbranded one. Still, I guess it depends on the watch.
I would even be ready to pay a small bit more for the unbranded one
. Still, I guess it depends on the watch.Depends.
I have a B&R 01, I'd still buy it without a brand name, as i dig the design. It might actually look better with a sterile dial.
I have an Omega PO, well.... Like the design, but without the logo and writing on the dial it'd look a bit bland to me. But then it is an Omega, so not the "OMG the cool brand" thingy going on.
I have 2 Panerai, that said i really do like the writing on the dial as a design element and don't like the sterile ones too much. And "Luminor" just sonds cool But for all its worth, when it comes to "showing off the brand" it could say "Pancake" on the bottom to fulfil my writing needs, as nobody knows what a PAM is anyway.
My 0.02
I have a B&R 01, I'd still buy it without a brand name, as i dig the design. It might actually look better with a sterile dial.
I have an Omega PO, well.... Like the design, but without the logo and writing on the dial it'd look a bit bland to me. But then it is an Omega, so not the "OMG the cool brand" thingy going on.
I have 2 Panerai, that said i really do like the writing on the dial as a design element and don't like the sterile ones too much. And "Luminor" just sonds cool
But for all its worth, when it comes to "showing off the brand" it could say "Pancake" on the bottom to fulfil my writing needs, as nobody knows what a PAM is anyway.My 0.02