Improved 29J New Asia 7750 Valjoux on Portuguese Chronos

[guru]

New improved movement? Wondering what that is ?
Just a push to reach the Q4 revenue plan? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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[tutima]

A few more jewels for the transfer gears...?

Finally addressing the reliability issue of these second @ 6 movements...??

 

[guru]

A few more jewels for the transfer gears...?

Finally addressing the reliability issue of these second @ 6 movements...??

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: then they should say so, would increase the cash flow for Q4 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

 

[sconehead]

I wouldn't believe it till they provide a picture of the modified parts of the movement personally... :roll:

 

[BOSS]

This is what Ziggy said about it on RWG:

"Personally I don't buy any of it, marketing hype.

Truth be known, there were already a number of extra jewels in these models, at least in the latest versions of seconds at 6. I think 29 is actually too low a number, it's probably more like 34 or more jewels.

The problem has always been, and continues to be the design, you can put all the jewels you want in the movement, but when the gear sits in the jewel but is sitting flat on the movement bridge and rubbing against the movement as it turns, all the jewels in the world aren't going to fix that friction.

The fact they use 5 instead of 3 gears to get the seconds at 6, and one of those gears can never be jewelled since it sits in the center of the movement and has a ton of friction, means any upgrades are pointless.

Use 3 gears only for the modification, have all of them pivoted in JEWELS like they should be, and your problem is fixed. Easy, simple, but they don't seem willing to do what it takes..."

 

[fakemaster]

The problem has always been, and continues to be the design, you can put all the jewels you want in the movement, but when the gear sits in the jewel but is sitting flat on the movement bridge and rubbing against the movement as it turns, all the jewels in the world aren't going to fix that friction.

Ziggy said that? Wow we have been in total agreeance all this time.


Don't worry guys I have been working on a 45 jewel version of my Fakeymariner. Only problem I have been having is I am running out of places to glue the stones on. Maybe I could get some advice.

 

[Pix]

I agree : no movement pictured, as we are used to for other reps.
Besides, still no AR fix. And we should blindly buy the very same models which has not been sold for 2 years, as everyone know the flaws ? I don't knew why, but I'm pretty sure these are old modified stocks.

 

[hk45ca]

more white lies now that the world economy is crashing down around us? sales are down? surely not, they wouldn't do that........ :roll:

 

[eyeknow]

I hope this time it´ll be more successful, I had one but sold it ´cause it gave me a lot of trouble.

 

[brtelec]

I don't believe one word of it. I know it is hard to believe that such pillars of the sales community would post something that was not true. :roll:

 

[wilshire888]

I got the Portuguese with the so called updated version a few weeks ago and it's been running extremely well. As a matter of fact it's been getting plenty of wrist time.

But then again, it's only been a few weeks...

On the other hand, it's definitely very different to my Daytona with the 7750 that was frustrating to wear as it frequently stopped and needed to be shaken and stirred violently for a few minutes before it would start again. Of course I'm talking in past tense as the watch had decided to die after a few months...

 

[takashi]

This isn't fake... Indeed they did something to the movement.

I am probably getting 2 of these movements. I will let you know the result in few months time.

 

[Spirit]

Francisco did a deep review of it, disassembling one of these "new improved 29j" movements, and said that it´s the same, no new jewels on it.
...The only difference is that they´re using skeletonized gears to try to reduce the contact on the plates, but this is no help at all as it seems.

EDIT> Here´s the link for the review of the 29j movement by Francisco. It´s off a Rolex Daytona, but I believe the movements are the same that are going on the IWCs, isn´t it?
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48668

Cheers,
Spirit.

 

[takashi]

Thanks for the new info! Will definitely don't buy it then.

Will go for graphite treatment instead.

 

[Spirit]

You´re welcome, Taka!
...Updated my post with the link for the review above. Enjoy the reading =)

Cheers,
Spirit.

 

[takashi]

Thank you very much for the link. Indeed it's the same base movement... only skeletonized gears.

Yes, the IWC is using similar movement, only lacking of chrono hour counter (presents on Daytona). I will just get graphite treatment then.

I was told that they did something to the movement (indeed they did) but no extra jewel. No point buying then.

 

[b16a2]

Its questionable if they put the skeletonized gears in there recently. ROFL on RG had a Daytona from a while back that had exactly the same movement. It's just marketing BS as usual

 

[Francisco]

I am still waiting for a Portuguese from Joshua. I will review the movement...but you can imagine...

 

[geektom]

Thanks for the info guys, I've also heard from a few friends of mine that the new movement in the portuguese is better than the old but not good enough, because it stil has that problem with the seconde that are runing at the 6.

 

[b16a2]

Thanks for the info guys, I've also heard from a few friends of mine that the new movement in the portuguese is better than the old but not good enough, because it stil has that problem with the seconde that are runing at the 6.

Its not better in any way shape or form unfortunately, it's still a load of rubbish Francisco did a teardown of a second Portuguese to confirm the findings of the first......it was the same old movement in there, there is no improvement.