HEHE, he said cock.brtelec said:
Seriously, if you sold it your responsible for providing a working watch... Like LOS recommended, the movement is cheap and fairly easy to work on.
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Question on a sale
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Seriously, if you sold it your responsible for providing a working watch... Like LOS recommended, the movement is cheap and fairly easy to work on.
I'll go on record right now that when I sell a rep to anyone on this or another forum I will give a 10 day money back no questions guarantee. Just tell me in all honesty that you didn't break it and that's good enough for me.
If I sell something and somebody doesn't like it it's because it wasn't represented properly, regardless of the reason. Maybe I just didn't explain properly. People usually don't buy something that they didn't want.
That's just the way it should be. We're supposed to be friends helping friends.
If I sell something and somebody doesn't like it it's because it wasn't represented properly, regardless of the reason. Maybe I just didn't explain properly. People usually don't buy something that they didn't want.
That's just the way it should be. We're supposed to be friends helping friends.
Hooooolllllld on. There is an implication that I shipped a bad watch? It wasnt me that broke it. Judging on how he manhandled it my guess it was him after the first day. yes the show being on the other foot I would be pissed as well. But whn did we have expectations of charity?
Let me see what happens on his end.I'll be the "charitable one and take the time and $ to fix what left here fine.
Just wondering which movement it might be now.
So let's put the shoe on your foot KBH...you sold a good watch to me I get a bad one and now I want to send you back a busted watch and get my $ back. Let's pretend I could not fix watches for a minute. So now you got a hunk of steel that you paid for, shipped back and forth and took that expense and now need to get it fixed. At tha point it's not worth selling anymore.
I wont have him ship it to Ruby. It came from me and it should go back to me. Why get her involved? You think she would exchange it?
I bought it a few months ago. Brainstorming. Maybe she can ship it directly to him..whaddya think.
Let me see what happens on his end.I'll be the "charitable one and take the time and $ to fix what left here fine.
Just wondering which movement it might be now.
So let's put the shoe on your foot KBH...you sold a good watch to me I get a bad one and now I want to send you back a busted watch and get my $ back. Let's pretend I could not fix watches for a minute. So now you got a hunk of steel that you paid for, shipped back and forth and took that expense and now need to get it fixed. At tha point it's not worth selling anymore.
I wont have him ship it to Ruby. It came from me and it should go back to me. Why get her involved? You think she would exchange it?
I bought it a few months ago. Brainstorming. Maybe she can ship it directly to him..whaddya think.
I commend that KBH so some unscrupulous person can have a watch for 9 days from you , essentially fuck it up and say "i want my money back"
This is a guy I had mayube 2 PM's with to and fro.
This is a guy I had mayube 2 PM's with to and fro.
No implication, things happen in shipping. I believe you that the watch was working when you had it, and it's quite possible it would have stopped working on you too, and the shipping processed just helped it along. My eta SFSO worked fine the first week sat in the winder another week and now stops 4-5 times a day. These things happen... But if it was only one day, the buyer doesn't have the responsibilty here you do.
With that said, I wouldn't refund any money until you receive the watch back and can inspect to see that it is the same watch, and b they didn't actually break it.
With that said, I wouldn't refund any money until you receive the watch back and can inspect to see that it is the same watch, and b they didn't actually break it.
so tell him to piss up a rope if you are certain that there is no chance that it could have been damaged in shipment.
If the guy is simply a liar, what do you care? Tell him to piss up a rope and forget about it.
(and how exactly do you know that he is liar?)
the legal matter has been addressed, shipper is responsible
always ship in a manner that will not under and circumstances result in damage.. when you find that one,
you can make millions..
as for liar? Don't ever sell to a liar..
sell to trusted receivers who know reps only..
If the guy is simply a liar, what do you care? Tell him to piss up a rope and forget about it.
(and how exactly do you know that he is liar?)
the legal matter has been addressed, shipper is responsible
always ship in a manner that will not under and circumstances result in damage.. when you find that one,
you can make millions..
as for liar? Don't ever sell to a liar..
sell to trusted receivers who know reps only..
watchbuff said:
No one implicated you for anything from what i have seen...
I've had 3 watches I have shipped be bad when they hit their destination... who is to say if it happened in transit or upon delivery... i dunno...
Life happens sometimes...
Well. I needed you guyt's whose opinions I respect this question to reach a solution. This person wants to buy another BR from me (an 03) and I guess in light of good will I offered a solution.
Not holding him hostage but if he wants the 03 as well ill fix the 01 on me. Bad or good?
Not holding him hostage but if he wants the 03 as well ill fix the 01 on me. Bad or good?
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I would give him 2 options:
Send it back and give a full refund and a see you later sorry it didn't work out. The fact that you didn't ship him a broken watch is not a factor. For example, I found a beer can in my yard, I didn't put there so I wont pick it up. See what I am saying.
Second, he sends it for repair and you send him 20.00 and that is it. Without a dollar amount up front, it might be 200 for the repair.
Make it clear, cut and closed ended for you and the buyer.
R2
Send it back and give a full refund and a see you later sorry it didn't work out. The fact that you didn't ship him a broken watch is not a factor. For example, I found a beer can in my yard, I didn't put there so I wont pick it up. See what I am saying.
Second, he sends it for repair and you send him 20.00 and that is it. Without a dollar amount up front, it might be 200 for the repair.
Make it clear, cut and closed ended for you and the buyer.
R2
The beer can analogy ...I m not feeling ya.
It's not garbage.Im not being lazy. I think I should fix it if he sends it back and eat the shipping (of course) and whatever it costs to fix in $ and time I'll just eat it. Well nothing has happened. im just prepping myself for when it lands in my mailbox
It's not garbage.Im not being lazy. I think I should fix it if he sends it back and eat the shipping (of course) and whatever it costs to fix in $ and time I'll just eat it. Well nothing has happened. im just prepping myself for when it lands in my mailbox
Well, I just bought a watch from Watchbuff and I couldn't be happier with the sale and his service.
He is a very honorable guy!
Many Thanks WB
He is a very honorable guy!
Many Thanks WB
watchbuff said:
First let me say I certainly didn't mean to say you shipped out a bad watch. Second, although few of us actually know each other on this forum, I feel 99% of th people here are trusting and trustworthy. If I didn't I wouldn't hang out here. I've asked for favors and had them answered more than once. I've also shipped out little pieces, bracelet links, etc when I could help. Nobody's asked me for postage nor have I asked. It's just not part of doing somebody a favor.
The last watch I received last week came DOA from one of our "Trusted Dealers". He didn't say, "well it was working when I sent it, too bad". He said, "it was working when I sent it, I checked it for 2 days before it shipped, but I'll send you a new one out today". It's a pain and inconvenience for both of us but that's how these things should work. This was a watch I bought for a friend so I get to eat the postage back to China. So be it. Yesterday the replacement got here.
That's what we expect when we buy something. Why shouldn't we be willing to do the same.
watchbuff said:
I'm a little confused. Did you check to see if the watch functioned properly after receiving it and before shipping it to him?
Yes. I had it and never wore it. i left the plastic on the back and buckle of the strap for protection when I was going to ship to Everest.
I never botheres so sold it as i got it. Working order sitting in the winder. Working just fine
I never botheres so sold it as i got it. Working order sitting in the winder. Working just fine
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watchbuff said:
HaHaHa..LOL,
Keep your hands on your own power supply and stop trying to feel me.I know your not garbage..that is funny. Your defenatly not lazy. My point was sometimes we don't do something for all the wrong reasons. Not offering a refund because the Post office or the envelope monster broke it is the wrong thinking. Not washing a car because it will rain again someday is the wrong thinking.
Watchbuff, i consider you a friend and would never call you lazy or garbage.
I led you in the wrong direction and I got a free laugh at your expense, sorry.You will do the right thing.
There is a big difference in dealing with the people on the forum and dealing with individuals. The PAM 036 I received DOA, i am positive was sent out as a working watch. The fact that it was damaged in shipping is not his fault. I do not and will not hold a private seller to the same standard as a dealer. If I ship to another country and customs gets it, that is not my problem. If the dealer ships it and customs gets it, we expect the dealer to eat it. There is a different standard and it is subjective how far that standard varies. I have sold quite a few watches as well as other items on the forum, and I have never had a complaint, but what is my liability in a personal sale? What is the difference between what each of you expect from a private sale as opposed to what you think others should expect from you? This is P2P, there is no actual or implied contract so are we all going to be held to any one persons standard? I personally would rather just refund someones money than have some one think I took advantage of them, but is it fair for me to hold every other person to that standard? I think not. In a P2P unless you discuss it ahead of time there is no agreement on failure or damage in shipping.
BR.....right on the money. It was P2P and no one that I have come to know here. Not that I would sell a broken item to a random customer but imaging buying acar from craigslist you drive it away after handing over the case and it catches fire.....who owns it?
My benevolence could be taken for weakness at times and I decided to replace the movement in good faith IF he asks.
I agree I would not hold another person to the same standard as a dealer or a friend here on the forum to the same standard as a stranger.
I treated it and shipped it as i did the PAW , with care and confirmation.
I guess I would expect more from a dealer a little less from someone I know, they can only do so much.
And alot less from Mr.X I just gave a money order to.
There was no advanced discussion on If it arrived DOA it was a never brought up. That DOES NOT give a seller license to crap on the buyer but the risk is implied not expressed.
Thanks for the insight. IF it comes back a movement swap is pretty straight foward for me now so it's 30 minutes tops and $35.00 at best. I'll prbably make it back with a sale of an Orange 03 I have that he wants just to keep even.
Thanks again
My benevolence could be taken for weakness at times and I decided to replace the movement in good faith IF he asks.
I agree I would not hold another person to the same standard as a dealer or a friend here on the forum to the same standard as a stranger.
I treated it and shipped it as i did the PAW , with care and confirmation.
I guess I would expect more from a dealer a little less from someone I know, they can only do so much.
And alot less from Mr.X I just gave a money order to.
There was no advanced discussion on If it arrived DOA it was a never brought up. That DOES NOT give a seller license to crap on the buyer but the risk is implied not expressed.
Thanks for the insight. IF it comes back a movement swap is pretty straight foward for me now so it's 30 minutes tops and $35.00 at best. I'll prbably make it back with a sale of an Orange 03 I have that he wants just to keep even.
Thanks again