Thanks a lot RWI...guess no watch for me now

[vantri]

RWI,
You endorsed TTK as a dealer and, weighing multiple factors good and bad, I purchased from him expecting it would take a while.
Now a large number of us stand with ABSOLUTELY no recourse since you banned him without proving this guy has never filled orders.
Well now there ARE going to be lots of ripped off TTK customers because you ran the guy off.

Would it not have been a better idea to "SUSPEND" him as a dealer until he proved he filled orders, improved shipping, and communication?

What about a POLL to all customers awaiting their watches asking what they wanted done???

I ordered an LV Noob from TTK, an endoresed and vetted RWI Dealer, on the advice of another RWI Dealer, TWP, and feel I had reasonable expectation that this board and it's Mods would have treated this situation more delicately.

When I look back on this order and the money I lost on this purchase I will blame RWI not TTK

 

[Natron]

This is a tough situation and feel TTK should still be responsible. If you went to a retail store based on a friends recommendation and ordered an item and the store closed, are you telling me you would blame your friend......NO. the store has your money.


Natron

 

[hooligan]

RWI,
You endorsed TTK as a dealer and, weighing multiple factors good and bad, I purchased from him expecting it would take a while.
Now a large number of us stand with ABSOLUTELY no recourse since you banned him without proving this guy has never filled orders.
Well now there ARE going to be lots of ripped off TTK customers because you ran the guy off.

Would it not have been a better idea to "SUSPEND" him as a dealer until he proved he filled orders, improved shipping, and communication?

What about a POLL to all customers awaiting their watches asking what they wanted done???

I ordered an LV Noob from TTK, an endoresed and vetted RWI Dealer, on the advice of another RWI Dealer, TWP, and feel I had reasonable expectation that this board and it's Mods would have treated this situation more delicately.

When I look back on this order and the money I lost on this purchase I will blame RWI not TTK

What on earth are you on about?

Just because Neil has been removed as a dealer here at RWI doesn't mean you're not going to get your watch. I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. TTK is still actively selling on other boards and I'm sure you still have his email address. This forum does not provide the one and only link to contact with TTK, right? Right.

Contact TTK, if you have a legitimate claim, I'm sure he'll sort you out. I've read TONS of posts complaining about how long it took to get the watch, but I can't remember ever seeing a single "TTK refused to deliver my watch and is no longer answering my emails". It may take 9 mos, but I'm sure you'll end up with your Noobmariner.

Now, feel free to continuing to blame this forum for your problems. :roll: Ridiculous.

 

[dave123]

Yes,i don't get this thread either...TTK is active on that geek forum i understand and i am sure he will still send you your watch some year whether he is a dealer on this board or not....the people buying from him on the geek board are all the same people that are members here anyway,so him not being a dealer here does not hurt his customer base here anyway... :roll:

 

[vantri]

Hooligan:

Sure I have a legit beef with.
I joined RWI for multiple reasons, mainly the people here, but mostly because I respected the lines within which the Mods operated this board.
This banning situation seemed to be pressed/accelerated by mostly non-TTK customers with outstanding orders.
Had I not been busy with my life I would have loudly chimed in this week that this was a knee jerk decision to ban the guy.

Last Spring I used to split my time between all the Boards until I decided to just come here everyday for a few minutes as a member. I realize I can contact TTK on the other boards, but then why come back here.

Sure no one here needs me or cares if I ever return, but there are multiple reasons why people devote membership to a place.

Simply put, I'm a "member" I had a pending equity with another "member" (Dealer in fact) and RWI interrupted that relationship and transaction without at least seeking feedback from members with interests.

I saw lots of posts which contained "....while I've never ordered from Neil he should be banned". Of course you would vote that way....you're not waiting on an order.

 

[sub4me]

Chill out man TTK will most probably deliver your watch. Go contact him on the other boards and don't blame RWI for a lose that has not yet happened. :roll:

 

[hooligan]

I disagree. Neils presence on this board has nothing to do with your pending transaction. You don't need to go to another forum to contact him. You *do* have his email, right? All of TTKs ads that I've seen say something like "email me to order", etc. So, you don't need this or any other forum in order to see this transaction through.

Just for the record, I've never purchased anything from Neil, but I also disagreed (publicly) with his banning. People know how TTK does business, unless they are willfully ignorant. This hasn't been a recent phenomenon and hasn't been a problem in the past. The problem is with a bunch of noobs (not you personally) ignoring the "considerations" when ordering from TTK, and then going on to flood the forums with threads bitching about how long it's taking to get their watch. I don't blame the admin team for this banning, they DO have a responsibility to appease/protect the membership, I blame all the people for bitching about a situation they knowingly got themselves into.

My comment about him being active on other forums was simply to reinforce that he wasn't out of the rep game.

 

[vantri]

Sub;
I've been off line for a week and am obviously still digesting this whole stream of events.
But I really feel there was a missed opportunity for RWI to effect a suspension which might have even carried over to the sister boards.
I don't want to board hop, I've been to the others, I like it here.
I like to speak using the little bit of "RWI Voice" that I have.
All in all the decision to act on Neil's behavior was correct, but I don't think one aggressive posture justifies another.
Will the other boards ban him....not likely....they'll enjoy whatever member spill over they get, if even just 1 member.
In the future I'd just like to see RWI enact consequences that are not terminal.

No matter what you think of TTK, I'll bet he would have been just as upset about being suspended from dealing/collecting and it may have had a better outcome.

As I mentioned before, I'm a contributing RWI member, I'm a loyal member, I have a financial stake in this matter, I've never displayed poor manners or judgement here in the past, and therefore I feel I'm entitled to this opinion.

 

[vantri]

Hooligan
I've got so many of Neil's gmail addresses I'm confused.
If anyone one knows the latest one I'd be appreciative.

I have certainly been frustrated by the wait and lack of response, BUT I also received a black ETA sub from another RWI dealer at an awesome price and smoking fast delivery all the way from TW to US in 4 days but it had flaws. What good is fast delivery if it's wrong? I kept it because I'm just too busy to do things twice.

I also ordered from Neil because I want my $ to support guys that care about QC and not just pushing out orders. Do we pay for communication? Weeeell I guess so, but in the end it's what's on your wrist that counts and that's what you remember when you look at your wrist 100 times a day.

Do I "like" Neil? Don't know him or Bill Gates, but I know they both stand behind what they sell.

 

[sub4me]

vantri, I hear man a nd no offense was taken by your post, but like I said you'll probably get your watch you'll just have to wait it out, could be long wait could be longer wait who knows. For the record TTK was suspended at first then by his own actions was therefore banned, big diffrence.

 

[Chicken Manny]

You will get your watch someday. It will make for a good surprise Christmas present.

 

[higgy]

Vantri,

I'm sorry you feel so affected. But sub4me did explain correctly. TTK sales section was suspended. Then his actions caused the ban.

Here is his last email address. He had this posted for all to see in his sales ads, so should not be a problem to post here.
[email protected]

And BTW ventri, the staff works for the entire board. We need to make decisions and act on them. We have over 7000 registered members. Should we spend a year trying to contact all of them for their opinion on forum management? Not feasible. We do whats best for the board as a whole. Some will not like our decisions...it's inevitable.

Here's a partial post by TTK at another forum that kind of sums up his feelings....

@Andreww......RWI is no great loss to me......truth is....there was no enjoyment on RWI....even when I was posting ads there.....no HTML.....and visiting the place was like picking a scab on your arm......fascinating.....but ultimately not good for you.......!


And as for board hopping. All you need to do is go there, contact ttk and leave. People lurk and don't post all the time. It really should not pose a problem.

And I don't think that ttk wants to fail on delivering a watch. That would spill over to other forums and tarnish his reputation..... 8)


I think you will receive your watch. No need to panic yet...

Higgy
8)

 

[vdubpower]

you probably wont get your watch, not because of rwi, bu t more because he is a shitty dealer

 

[caravaggio]

You will get your watch someday. It will make for a good surprise Christmas present.

This is the part I still cannot understand.

SOMEDAY???

Holy shit in hell!!!! :shock:

Just because the goods being sold are illegal does not mean we have to wait endlessly or indefinately.

I can get an ounce of meth or coke in minutes pretty much anywhere , even by mail.


What is the deal with that??

 

[cybee]

[
I can an ounce of meth or coke in minutes pretty anywhere , even by mail.
What is the deal with that??

meth and coke is real whereas watchy fake...PF be careful with that stuff :shock:

 

[caravaggio]

[
I can an ounce of meth or coke in minutes pretty anywhere , even by mail.
What is the deal with that??

meth and coke is real whereas watchy fake...PF be careful with that stuff :shock:

I agree with you..

I guess I misexplained it once again but I was trying to point the illegality of the two and yet fake watches seem to give dealers more power than the watches are worth.


In my town, we have a weekly flea market and there I see two or three asians selling tons of fake Nike wear vand designer brand name apparels and clothing. And they're there every Sunday and they told me some of their best customers are COPS!!!

 

[southcoast68]

Does everyone reading this thread remember Luckyy?? When he was here everybody was like "gee this guy is great, he can get any MBW,MBK,BMW,VW,GMC"....whatever they are calling it these days. He was falling behind on deliveries as well, then poof....gone, probably leaving a lot of members holding the bag. I am not saying that TTK would do the same, he does seem to be a man of his word at the end of the day, and I sure everyone who ordered from him will be taken care of. My point is this, whenever a dealer here or at any other board exhibits what they perceive as bad service or bad behavior, the members at large say "what will the board do to protect us" and expect some action from the Admin. Well, the way I see it is that the Admin here were probably seeing the many complaints against TTK (maybe getting a lot of complaints PM'd to them as well) and decided to take some preliminary action. When TTK started getting nasty about it, they made the decision to ban him and whether or not we all agree, its was still thier decision to make and I respect them for it. I'm betting it was not an easy desicion for them to make either, but they stepped up to the plate and did what they had to. They are trying thier best to protect us, the community, and to provide a positive experience for all. Isn't that what you'd expect? If you ordered from a dealer, and he/she took off with your money, never to be heard of again, I can hear you now "what is the board going to do about this". I'm thinking your fear of not getting your LV is a result of not trusting TTK to begin with and thats not RWI's fault. We all know TTK is outspoken and somtimes comes across rude, but you knew that, and if you were iffy about dealing with him, you should have sourced your LV from another dealer. Like we all say to the new folks comming in, research research research, pick your dealer, then pick your watch. Sure I wanted a MBW,MBK series Rollie, and I got one just yesterday, and a real beauty too. Did I get it from TTK? No, I bought it used from another member. Used a credit card through Google checkout and had my watch in a week. See, the holy grail is obtainable from more than just one or two sources.

Try not to judge these folks too harshly, they have thousands of members who look to them. They also volunteer thier time, no big paychecks to be made here. I'm sure we'll all like to be getting back to taking about cool watches. Gee, a post entitled "who has the best sub" sounds pretty refreshing at this point.

 

[cybee]

PF: no I knew what you meant and 100% agreed...

vdubpower: I'll enjoy your av while it lasts.. 78 rpm's.

 

[caravaggio]

Does everyone reading this thread remember Luckyy?? When he was here everybody was like "gee this guy is great, he can get any MBW,MBK,BMW,VW,GMC"....whatever they are calling it these days. He was falling behind on deliveries as well, then poof....gone, probably leaving a lot of members holding the bag. I am not saying that TTK would do the same, he does seem to be a man of his word at the end of the day, and I sure everyone who ordered from him will be taken care of. My point is this, whenever a dealer here or at any other board exhibits what they perceive as bad service or bad behavior, the members at large say "what will the board do to protect us" and expect some action from the Admin. Well, the way I see it is that the Admin here were probably seeing the many complaints against TTK (maybe getting a lot of complaints PM'd to them as well) and decided to take some preliminary action. When TTK started getting nasty about it, they made the decision to ban him and whether or not we all agree, its was still thier decision to make and I respect them for it. I'm betting it was not an easy desicion for them to make either, but they stepped up to the plate and did what they had to. They are trying thier best to protect us, the community, and to provide a positive experience for all. Isn't that what you'd expect? If you ordered from a dealer, and he/she took off with your money, never to be heard of again, I can hear you now "what is the board going to do about this". I'm thinking your fear of not getting your LV is a result of not trusting TTK to begin with and thats not RWI's fault. We all know TTK is outspoken and somtimes comes across rude, but you knew that, and if you were iffy about dealing with him, you should have sourced your LV from another dealer. Like we all say to the new folks comming in, research research research, pick your dealer, then pick your watch. Sure I wanted a MBW,MBK series Rollie, and I got one just yesterday, and a real beauty too. Did I get it from TTK? No, I bought it used from another member. Used a credit card through Google checkout and had my watch in a week. See, the holy grail is obtainable from more than just one or two sources.

Try not to judge these folks too harshly, they have thousands of members who look to them. They also volunteer thier time, no big paychecks to be made here. I'm sure we'll all like to be getting back to taking about cool watches. Gee, a post entitled "who has the best sub" sounds pretty refreshing at this point.

I just want to make the point I think is key here: trust that your watch will come SOMEDAY

Can some of you get real here and explain to me this: if a dealer is in the business of selling watches and promites them on boards, should he not make sure he can deliver the goods in a timely manner?

I mean, oyu know how quickly these dealers want their money? well. it should be the way going the other way: we should get our watches ALMOST as promptly as they expect our payment.

My biggest beef with someone like TTK is two tier:

1- his somewhat condenscending approach (not replying to me email in now 9 days)
2-SOMETIMES taking way toolong to ship goods that have been paid for fair and square.

I mean this TTK is not 100% the professional he claims he is when he looses a customer like me who was ready to spend up to $500 US on a watch....by never replying and then posting on this board that "he does not care if he loses one customer since he has a long line up of customers just dying for to buy his watches. I dont think statements like that would keep a small business open very long in my town....

To TTK:

<<Never forget my friend that bad karma will catch up to you eventually. While you may be enjoying a good run of personal luck and a good life, do not count all your eggs yet>>

 

[southcoast68]

Does everyone reading this thread remember Luckyy?? When he was here everybody was like "gee this guy is great, he can get any MBW,MBK,BMW,VW,GMC"....whatever they are calling it these days. He was falling behind on deliveries as well, then poof....gone, probably leaving a lot of members holding the bag. I am not saying that TTK would do the same, he does seem to be a man of his word at the end of the day, and I sure everyone who ordered from him will be taken care of. My point is this, whenever a dealer here or at any other board exhibits what they perceive as bad service or bad behavior, the members at large say "what will the board do to protect us" and expect some action from the Admin. Well, the way I see it is that the Admin here were probably seeing the many complaints against TTK (maybe getting a lot of complaints PM'd to them as well) and decided to take some preliminary action. When TTK started getting nasty about it, they made the decision to ban him and whether or not we all agree, its was still thier decision to make and I respect them for it. I'm betting it was not an easy desicion for them to make either, but they stepped up to the plate and did what they had to. They are trying thier best to protect us, the community, and to provide a positive experience for all. Isn't that what you'd expect? If you ordered from a dealer, and he/she took off with your money, never to be heard of again, I can hear you now "what is the board going to do about this". I'm thinking your fear of not getting your LV is a result of not trusting TTK to begin with and thats not RWI's fault. We all know TTK is outspoken and somtimes comes across rude, but you knew that, and if you were iffy about dealing with him, you should have sourced your LV from another dealer. Like we all say to the new folks comming in, research research research, pick your dealer, then pick your watch. Sure I wanted a MBW,MBK series Rollie, and I got one just yesterday, and a real beauty too. Did I get it from TTK? No, I bought it used from another member. Used a credit card through Google checkout and had my watch in a week. See, the holy grail is obtainable from more than just one or two sources.

Try not to judge these folks too harshly, they have thousands of members who look to them. They also volunteer thier time, no big paychecks to be made here. I'm sure we'll all like to be getting back to taking about cool watches. Gee, a post entitled "who has the best sub" sounds pretty refreshing at this point.

I just want to make the point I think is key here: trust that your watch will come SOMEDAY

Can some of you get real here and explain to me this: if a dealer is in the business of selling watches and promites them on boards, should he not make sure he can deliver the goods in a timely manner?

I mean, oyu know how quickly these dealers want their money? well. it should be the way going the other way: we should get our watches ALMOST as promptly as they expect our payment.

My biggest beef with someone like TTK is two tier:

1- his somewhat condenscending approach (not replying to me email in now 9 days)
2-SOMETIMES taking way toolong to ship goods that have been paid for fair and square.

I mean this TTK is not 100% the professional he claims he is when he looses a customer like me who was ready to spend up to $500 US on a watch....by never replying and then posting on this board that "he does not care if he loses one customer since he has a long line up of customers just dying for to buy his watches. I dont think statements like that would keep a small business open very long in my town....

To TTK:

<<Never forget my friend that bad karma will catch up to you eventually. While you may be enjoying a good run of personal luck and a good life, do not count all your eggs yet>>

I agree with Paneraifreek on this as well, providing the goods in a timely manner and good customer service is the key to any dealers sucess. If they cannot deliver the goods as expected, a good soild channel of communication goes a long way to keeping a customer happy as far as I am concerned. PF, you are a long time member here, certainly not a newbie, and you tried communication as per TTK's instructions, and 9 days later after getting no response, you decided not to deal with him. You did not order a watch, get poor communication and then blame RWI for it. Sorry for the rant everyone, but the starter of this thread really annoyed me with his/her issue of wanting to blame RWI for thier belief of not getting what they paid for, a situation which may very well turn out well for all in the end.