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111h on my handmade 7mm Ammo

tootall

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Alright, so I have had this project for a long time now and finally decided to give it a try. I had looked through WWII leather goods before, but never gave it much thought. I usually didn't like it. But this was more of a challenge to myself to make something original.

It seems everyone and their brother has been making ammo straps the past few months. So being the OCD guy that I am, I decided to immerse myself in the knowledge available. I am not meaning to put down anyone else's ammo straps or say theirs is crap or anything like that. I just found certain things to be true, and thought I would share them with you and see what you all thought.

1. I found that most of the ammo straps being made were from Swedish or German ammo packs. Both of these are available as surplus for around $3.00 a piece. They have never seen any action, and usually come from some crate that never saw the light of day.

2. A lot of these straps were not complete, meaning they had the front looking nice, but the back was bare and rough.

3. The finishing on these looked horrible. I know it's supposed to look vintage, but a lot of them had holes that had been poked in to them. Not original holes that the packs came with.

The above is a short list and is not comprehensive. There are other things I could mention as well, but for the sake of keeping this kind of short, I'll leave it alone.

So then, the things listed above really bugged me and I sought out to correct this in the strap I made. First off, I needed to find an ammo pack that actually saw action and was an allied forces ammo pack (sorry, but I cannot consciously support German WWII wares, no matter how many hands it has passed through). So I found a Mosin Nagant ammo pack ( http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ ) that came from an Estate sale of a WWII vet. Then I decided to do two layers to have a "complete" strap. Thirdly, I finished it by hand burnishing and slicking it down.

Lastly, and this is where the originality comes in, I harvested most of the thread off of the Ammo packs. This was NOT easy at all. It took a very long time, with careful and steady hands. I then stitched the strap with the original thread it came with. Again, NOT easy. I am using over 60 year old thread that was used in a World War. (just as a side note, the thread was hemp thread.). All of the stitching done on this strap is done with the original thread it came with. :shock:

So then, enough with all my jabber, here are the pics. It is not as clean as most of my other straps, but it's not supposed to be ;) Let me know what you guys think.

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someone else

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nice

wow, that strap looks great, you really did a great job! I think have strap envy
 

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Wow~ it looks great. Russian Ammo pouch, eh? :)

I hear Swiss ones are really great too. I haven't gotten myself across it though yet.

I agree that these leather is really tough, which makes it quite hard to do anything with...

I was going to stitch some into one my wife made, but it seems and looks very difficult to do.

Great job again.

Joe
 

MK08

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All I can say is WOW very nice work I'd love a 26mm version to mount on my Fiddy :wink: Great looking strap
 

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i have 2 of your straps...both are excellent and look fantastic. i will post a few pics soon....tootall straps rock
 

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Tootal mate..that is a really great authentic strap..now can we find italian pouch ..and do one for both of us ??

im looking to have that feel too..vintage leather :)

congrats on the threads too
 

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moggio said:
Tootal mate..that is a really great authentic strap..now can we find italian pouch ..and do one for both of us ??

im looking to have that feel too..vintage leather :)

congrats on the threads too

Thanks guys for all the compliments.

I already ordered a WWI Italian ammo pouch two weeks ago. It should be here soon. It was a special find in that it was a Royal Navy Officer's belt sling/pouch. So it's as close as I could get to the underwater royal navy guys. Who knows, this one I have in might have been used by an officer who wore or used one of the very first Panerai's. ;) (according to Panerai's website, WWI was when the first instruments were made)

JOEJOEJOE, about the Swiss ammo pack straps. While they are nice, all of the ones I have seen have been from surplus ammo packs. They never saw any action. Also, some of the makers were punching holes in to them to make them look more "vintage", or like they had been used. While those might not be issues to you, it bugged the heck out of me. It is misleading to me. So I decided mine wouldn't have those issues. :)
 

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,,Very Nice :D ...I saw a ad on Panaristi from a guy who made a bunch of straps out of a german soldiers belt(I agree with you on selling German WWii stuff). This guy sold 5 in one day at $180.00 a piece :shock: ...and they were not even as nice as this :shock:

My wife has a nice Dooney and Bourke purse in the bottom of her closet that she has'nt used in years :twisted: ....do you think she would miss it if I sent it to you to make a strap :twisted: :lol:
 

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Looks great, tootall! That thing *needs* to be put on a Pre A watch, though! That would be the perfect combo in my opinion.
 

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I used to own a A2 jacket made out of horse leather.

I would've never used for a strap :) (jacket was close to 1K :shock: ) but I think
it woud've looked really nice...
 

tootall

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coolluke said:
My wife has a nice Dooney and Bourke purse in the bottom of her closet that she has'nt used in years :twisted: ....do you think she would miss it if I sent it to you to make a strap :twisted: :lol:

Send it my way ;) . I am willing to try anything (strap wise)

hooligan said:
Looks great, tootall! That thing *needs* to be put on a Pre A watch, though! That would be the perfect combo in my opinion.

Did they make any watches of that era that were 24mm strap size? Only one I know of is the GPF Big Egizano.
 

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That strap is SWEET. Very nice job. I love the story behind it as well.

Very well done.

Savage
 

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First of all tootall this is a realy nice strap you made yourself. And now i have a question on you and savage

I am thinking a time of self doing some straps i was wondering if some of the strap pros can take a look at this.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Koppel-Koppelriemen- ... dZViewItem

Could this be used to make a nice strap?

Greetings Navi :wink:
 

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NAVIGATER said:
First of all tootall this is a realy nice strap you made yourself. And now i have a question on you and savage

I am thinking a time of self doing some straps i was wondering if some of the strap pros can take a look at this.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Koppel-Koppelriemen- ... dZViewItem

Could this be used to make a nice strap?

Greetings Navi :wink:

Hey Navi, to answer your question simply, yes, you could make a strap out of that.

Now, how "nice" of a strap is the problem. Reason being, that belt leather is usually very stiff and would require a lot of oil, conditioners, twisting and bending to make it pliable to work with. Even then it still may crack and fall apart. Furthermore, this leather does not look authentic, that may or may not be of concern to you. Also, it would be too thick to double up so you would have to leave the back raw and that can be very rough feeling. There are other things that make this not the best piece to work with, but the afore mentioned are the big ones for me.

If you are looking into making your own strap, I definitely wouldn't start out with an ammo pack strap, or that belt either. First, get all the tools and supplies and do a couple "regular" straps before you decide to take one on like this.
 

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Well, I was thinking something newer than the Egiziano or the 6152. :wink:

Something more like a 002A, 202A or 201A (circa early '90s) was more what I was thinking. Aged T dials and big, fat dial markers. Not exactly contemporary to the time period of those ammo pouches, but a little more tool-watch than anything in the current catalog, IMO.

Great looking strap, my friend. Job well done!
 

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NAVIGATER said:
First of all tootall this is a realy nice strap you made yourself. And now i have a question on you and savage

I am thinking a time of self doing some straps i was wondering if some of the strap pros can take a look at this.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Koppel-Koppelriemen- ... dZViewItem

Could this be used to make a nice strap?

Greetings Navi :wink:

Navi-

I agree with tootall on this, I think you'd have a hard time with this leather (especially on your first strap). Now, if you have access to a high-quality leather splitter, you might be able to get this leather down to a thickness that would be manageable. But, you wouldn't want to buy one just for this b/c they're like $400-$500. There might be somebody in your area that would let you use theirs, but that's a crapshoot.

Truthfully, and you asked for an opinion, I don't think that leather is worth messing with. There are other sources, as we know from other projects, for vintage leather. I think you'd be better served to look for alternatives.

If you need any other pointers, let me know.

Savage
 

tootall

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Thanks, Savage. I didn't think about a splitter, but even then the leather is so old it might just fall apart.

Btw, I just got in my Italian leather ammo pack from WWI. So look forward to my upcoming project. ;)