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[Natron]

Well i bought an Ultimate PO a few months back. Aside from an airbubble in the pearl the peice is perfect. So I thought. While it was being worked on i had The modder inspect the mvmnt, and what did he find but a dirty ETA copy. I paid some good money for a watch I was told had the Swiss ETA in it. This just plain pisses me off. All I want is what i paid for, nothing more nothing less. I have PM'd the dealer to see his defense, which I could guess what it is already. I have sent the watch out and spending money on the pearl so sending the watch back, to me is a waste now. A refund or portion of it I am sure is out of the question. I guess I will have to open every watch from here on out to inspect it now that I know what I am looking for.

Any one want some info shoot me a PM

Nate

 

[kinneyrhs]

Can you at least tell us if it was one of the big 4?

 

[Natron]

Not one of the big 4

Nate

 

[sub4me]

Ultimate huh?? WTF??

 

[horologie_unitas]

you know, what i dont understand......just name the dealer. He is responsible for his actions...and creates his own name out there....being responsible and honest...well.....pays...its like Karma.You cheat and lie to make you pockets bigger...you deserve no more business.....
share the name. and there is always the possibility to make things straight again....
So far i have bought from Josh, WBK, River, Davidsen, etc....not without problems with Davidsen, but he fixed what was wrong in the first place.

 

[Natron]

i will give him a chance. I want to hear what he has to say. I am sure he will say this was his suppliers fault. If I had the watch in hand and wasnt getting the mods done I would be quicker to wanting to send it back.

Guess away to see who it was.

Hint: No longer a dealer here, but does frequent the board still'


Nate

 

[Goldenlake]

you know, what i dont understand......just name the dealer. He is responsible for his actions...and creates his own name out there....being responsible and honest...well.....pays...its like Karma.You cheat and lie to make you pockets bigger...you deserve no more business.....
share the name. and there is always the possibility to make things straight again....
So far i have bought from Josh, WBK, River, Davidsen, etc....not without problems with Davidsen, but he fixed what was wrong in the first place.

I agree, this is the correct way to deal with dealers that "scam" their customers.

/Lake

 

[caravaggio]

Ok.

I see another thread coming about the same "little white lies" topic.

We really need to do something about this....really really really need to....

 

[Natron]

Really nothing we can do..There are ways we handle things like this down south, but other than that we will never run into the person, so it seems to come down a trust issue.

Nate

 

[horologie_unitas]

exactly - we need to do something about it...as long as a dealer knows he can play like that....without being outed...why should he change anything ??

they need to know - that when they purposely screw up....everyone in the forum will know....and that they will lose their ( good ) name
hey... i sold and bought from members in here a lot...i always try hard to make people happy and be honest....and you know what...if you are not a crook....it works !!

screw scamers !!

 

[d4m.test]

In the spirit of generosity and also to be cautious.....I wouldn't name the dealer until you try to reach a resolution.....!

As an aside.......you guys may want to consider that perhaps the dealer never saw the inside of the watch....so may be totally unaware that it's a 'dirty asian copy".....just like the final purchaser Natron...he may have taken his dealer's word that it was ETA and new.......it's impossible to open every watch and inspect them all.

To give you an example.....I took delivery of a watch not long ago and posted it for sale......my usual meticulous description.....in the advert I stated that it had genuine sapphire glass.....which it did have.....I checked it and the others that I had in stock.....all sapphire glass......I sold those.....and ordered a new batch of 5.......I normally wouldn't have bothered checking them again.....but for some reason whilst cleaning one of them...I picked up my tester.....and lo and behold.....NOT sapphire......the glass looks exactly the same....so I've had to e-mail some of the buyers to let them know the situation...and offered a discount.......I'm in discussions with my supplier......!

If I had let those thru' and someone tested one.....and guess what no sapphire......I'd be getting flamed left right and centre....especially given the latest fiasco.....!

So ....a little latitude when it maybe not be the case that your dealer knew....but his supplier did...!

 

[Natron]

@TTK, I agree with you. One thing this dealer stated was it was IN FACT an ETA and he would check before forwarding me the watch. I have chcked my outbox and he has not chcked his messages yet. I have seen him on the board very recently so I will give him a day or so to respond. I have no problem giving his name as I dont know if he will be dealing again anyways.

Nate

 

[Sylar]

I agree, give the dealer a change to see if he remedies the situation for you and if he does not then you can have it. Hopefully he will come through for you thogh.

 

[piratedzeus]

Good luck..

 

[Natron]

I dont expect him to do anything, as it has been about 2 months and like I said you can already guess what his defense will be.

Nate

 

[maxse]

I dont see why we cant know the dealer? Give him a chance? What do you mean? Of course he will give him a chance to get it right, but why does is that a reason for us not to know which dealer screwed up? I relaly dont understand this.

 

[d4m.test]

@Natron....if he specifically said the he would check the movement,.....then that's a different ball game.....you are perfectly within your rights to ask for a refund on the basis of misrepresentation.....however if you feel he is no longer selling here.....then you should post the details......not least because he seems to have scammed you...!

 

[d4m.test]

This is in reference to the PO that I sold Nate 2 months ago.
First of all let me make it clear that I'm not a dealer, nor a scammer, nor did I ever claim I have the skill to check the movement of a watch. I'm a rep collector that happens to have a connection and supply myself, friends, family with cool watches. When I find something great I'm willing to share it with other forum members. I'm a member of other boards I have a couple of people that consistently order through me because I'm a good guy.
This batch of PO were sold to me as swiss eta. The order before that I had a local watchsmith open one and verify it was swiss eta. Every subsequent order after that I assume my supplier was being supplied by the same source thus never thought twice about it considering everything else was in place...correct 22 mm lugs, serial number, etc... the usual traits of an "ultimate" PO.
I'm doing this for money? And I need to scam? Thats laughable...You think this is my source of income...LOL

I just happen to love this forum, rep watches, rep collecting, and sharing great watches...You think I'm some dude on the street trying to pass off crap to my fellow man and make a buck. Don't insult me.
Here is the PM that I just sent to Nate:
Hey Nate,

I'm really pissed off at my supplier who told me that my stock of POs that I ordered for you and my friends and family were SWISS ETA. I don't open any of my watches or claim that I do, I'm just not that skillful. or knowledgeable about it..I make everything is in running order and cosmetically everything is on par.

I'm wearing the same PO as my daily watch. Rep collecting is a hobby of mine and I don't deal in bulk. Mostly supply people close to me and every so often when I'm able to get a great piece offer up on forums. Trust me I don't make
much on each watch thats why I don't pursue dealing as my hobby.

I've never done this for money or whatever. Please send the watch back to me with all links, etc , packed well back to me and I'll refund your money.
Every person that I sell a watch to I consider them my friend and not a business transaction...and for any
friend I couldn't in good conscience give them something they were not happy with even though I was
given misinformation.
The thing is I'm not sure where the deception lies. Because my supplier is supplied from someone else.

Please pack it well and ship it in a safe way (overnight preferred) because at this point after 2 months the only thing I can do
is keep it for myself and refund you out of pocket.

 

[d4m.test]

@Natron....if he specifically said the he would check the movement,.....then that's a different ball game.....you are perfectly within your rights to ask for a refund on the basis of misrepresentation.....however if you feel he is no longer selling here.....then you should post the details......not least because he seems to have scammed you...!

Please Nate show me from our various PMs and emails where I said I would check the movement. I know I would never claim that because I don't have the knowledge nor the skill to do that. I can only make sure its running well and check for visual flaws and have the piece in my hand versus dropshipping. Don't put words in my mouth.
I did advertise it was ETA....but only because I had faith and trust in my seller. Don't question my integrity and jump the gun that I intentionally mislead you.
You mention that you have ways of handling things in the south....i believe its called lynching....

 

[horologie_unitas]

i want to speak up for dhk....i bought from him and got a real swiss ETA...in my opinion....watch still runs very good.
and dhk has handled my order very professionally. I dont know nowadays....swiss made.....there were a few dealers in here...the top ones, that offered swiss 2892 in ...for example Bell-Ross watches....and just changed their ads after calling them on it.
so...who did what on purpose ?
thats the question in this business.....i would just like to see good solution to all that.
a good weekend to everyone !