OK, let's stir the pot a little... this weekend is boring.

[caravaggio]

So,

the Superocean is out today.

And I am witness to yet another frenzy over the watch.
Seems like every time a new nice lloking rep comes out, lots of people rush and jump, buying with their Paypal and waiting with great hopes.

But this happens all the time.

I remember when the first PO came out: frenzy then a slowing down and then the brain kicks in to analyze and assess the watch they had just paid loads of money for.

Then reviews come out picking apart the watch, pointing out all its flaws. Then people start regretting having bought the watch so fast without taking a step back first.

It was the same with the 4th gen PO: the frenzy came back again, with everybody jumping and paying in a hurry because they thought they had it all finally. Then OOOPS. here it is again: a step back and the "nit pickers" finally post their nit picking and sure enough you start seeing 4th PO going on sale for cheap prices and some dont even get sold as fast as the sellers expect.

Then we witness the coming of the Ultimate: now the frenzy is back again.

People all over the watch, blowing more money again, Paypals flying around endlessly, WU's firing off...

Now people think they finally have it all in a watch "they'd been waiting for"...

And then, some nit pickers try hard and succeed in finding some flaws and also some people are reporting some problems with the Ultimate...

Soon enough, we will see Ultimates go on sale as used for a pretty good price.

Well, just when you thought people on this forum would know better, the Superocean is out and the mad frenzied rush to get one starts all over again.

No one seems to have learned to wait and/or pose questions first to see the worthiness of the rep. No reviews, no nitpicking yet but still lots of people blindly throwing their money toward China, gambling and clinging to their faith in the "what if it's the One"....

This is not $150 or $225, we are dealing with a chunky $325!!!! Guys!

I've seen something else happens too: when a new rep first comes out, the price is sky high then if you wait a little while you see people like Andrew, King or Ruby sell the same watch for alot less...

Now, I ask: why the haste? Why the hurry?

Shouldn't the dealer who comes out with a new rep first offer a sample to someone like By-Tor to test, try and review for the good of the forum? It would add great assurance that the watch is worth every bit of the $325 and give ultimate credebility to the dealer.

If this is not possible, then why dont we just slow down and wait for the first couple purchases to be tried and true??

Or who knows, we could wait long enough and then suddenly see the 2nd gen SO???

This is one aspect of the hobby I do not enjoy. Yes it is fun to anticipate a new toy in the mail or get a brand new model never released before but not at the expense of my $400 Canadian.

I also notice that somtimes, within one generation the first batch can turn out to be the best watches or sometimes the second batch can be slightly better because of one part being now installed on the watch...
(think back at the old factory SMP, etc)... So, the ganble is there: these Superoceans this weekend could be the best ones made ever or they could turn out to be the worst ones...

I wont gamble anymore money on new reps....

I will let time tell the tale.

Off I go to spend my money on a gen Tag Heuer Link.

Gotta a good deal on one: just $200 more than this rep Superocean every one is drooling about right now.


Luke

 

[d4m.test]

good post Luke.

i remember the times of paying $750-1000 for a half ass Swiss ETA rep just about 3-4 years ago. watches that werent HALF as good as whats out now for $150.

the times have changed now as the factories have wisened up and are buying the gens and copying them from OEM parts instead of pictures. so we are getting as close to the gen as possible and still paying less than what we were paying before the rep world opened up and we learned there were more watches than what was found on Canal St.

i too fall victim. i know that about myself. even though i try to control it, i just get that fever that says "you HAVE to have it NOW!!!" and i pony up and pay top dollar to see the price dump into the toilet a few months down the line.

i bought a 1950 Pam when they first hit. it had an RXW case, mineral glass not even domed right, Russian movement, wrong caseback, wrong dial and numbers size, wrong hands, no AR, wrong crown, and i paid $600!!!! two months later i was giving it away for a $100.

 

[tutima]

My sentiment exactly... :? I think the price is too high.

As I said in the other thread. I will wait out on the first lot and until someone review it with the actual watch on hand. Maybe the price will come down too.

 

[robertk]

I agree. I used to pony up at first blush. and then the reviews came in and better editions showed up. Truth was, I still like my early issues since I'm less anal than others.

but, as time went on and my collection grew, I just decided to take it slow. I will purchase several new ones shortly; ones that have been "improved". Price is less of an issue for me. At the end of the day you're not talking that much difference.

BTW, I have one of the first 45mm planet oceans, from Neil, with an ETA installed by him. It is not that much different than the 5th edition.

 

[d4m.test]

also remember that these watches maybe exclusive to ONE dealer at first but eventually they will be offered by other dealers. then the price will fall due to its lack of exclusivity.

Angus may get first pounce on it but the Ultimate BCE that he has is being offered by another dealer now that i have personal contact with. he doesnt sell here but he is in HK and is a well known member at RWG and TRC though he doesnt advertise.

everyone has the HBB now too.

so wait folks. in 2 months this watch will be selling in the sub-$200 range

 

[hk45ca]

i am with you. i waited all this time to buy the omega po's. i just got both the 42.5 and the 45 from ruby for75.00 more than andrew asked me for only the 42 po during it's first round of fixes. i am a long ways from buying the evo, steel fish or any of davidsen's new watches. i will wait for the corrections and reality checks first, just like i did on the po's.

 

[d4m.test]

see i had a wanted ad this morning where i was going to pay$300 for an Ultimate PO. thats about $50-100 more than average prices go. but i needed one in 2 days.

but i had actual reasoning this time. im am leaving for Spring Training for the MLB in Florida on friday and i always carry the best watches down with me to show the players. they love checking them out b/c they all have the gens they spent thousands on and cant believe they make reps this good. they dont really get a chance to see this kind of stuff. so every year they look for me and what ive got on my wrists. alot of them will buy them on the spot cash money and over dealer prices, just so they can store the gens and wear them as beaters. its kind of fun. i wil lhave a crowd of ten guys all drooling and gawking at the watches. then they say they cant believe they spent $XXXX on their watches.

 

[crick]

that's why i wait for someone else to buy and review.

i feel though there's a weird up and down trend. Like a specific watch would be the flavor of the month. The 4th gen PO has been out for some time but i didnt see any great hubbub about it till just of late. Probably teh ultimate pushing the hype and the 42mm 4th gen ridiing its waves.

 

[rbj69]

all i can add to this is that , i was told the same maker of the BCE made this one with a genuine to copy by (same as the BCE) and i have the BCE and it one of the nicest reps i own today , so i feel this one will be of same quality , expecially at this price, it better be , lol

joe

 

[crick]

well isnt it said to really dive 1000m Guaranteed?

can someoen explain how this is vs the 50m off of our reg reps? just better quality i guess since copied 1:1 off of gen?

 

[rbj69]

he asked me to test it for him when i get mine and as u know i will do a complete breakdown for u all ok

joe

 

[caravaggio]

About the 1000m depth guarantee...

Dont fall for it...

Unless it has been tested and a certificate comes with the watch, I dont buy the whole thing.

i sure would not chjance a $325 rep passed 50m... even at that...

If they guarantee it then it means this rep has been SERVICED or properly assembled according to professional specs?

In an Asian rep factory?

If all this is right, we should all, I mean ALL snap them up, and heck, the watch should be sold at $500 and many of you would still buy it!!!!!


Come on!!!!

Even Timex or Citizen can hardly manage to make a 1000m depth rated watch!!!

 

[caravaggio]

And by the way

Many reps will go deep and stay dry on the first "dive" but the difference here is that Swiss diving watches will go deep every time and anytime even after wear and tear of many years... Of course even those watches need to be retested for water integrity often enough...

Rep to dive 1000m , out of the box???

WOW :shock:

 

[crick]

Re: And by the way

Many reps will go deep and stay dry on the first "dive" but the difference here is that Swiss diving watches will go deep every time and anytime even after wear and tear of many years... Of course even those watches need to be retested for water integrity often enough...

Rep to dive 1000m , out of the box???

WOW :shock:

my gen po only does 600m [smilie=crybaby2.gif]

 

[caravaggio]

It is not about turning down a good rep and..

missing the boat:

It is about being cautious enough so your money is spent wisely.

The hype did get me in the past.

Too many times have I paid high prices for watches that I could not even sell for a decent price afterwards. I had to let them all go for pretty cheap, therefore losing too much money....

With all the money I spent and lost from cheap sales, i could have bought me one nice gen Omega on TZ.

 

[road rash]

$325 for the new Super O:?: I have heard too may Big Bang horror stories already.

I am sending my $390 to Davidsen for the the 117h upgraded. Time tested (excuse the pun)...

I hope to own a real 177h this time next year if I can only stop buying reps :!:

 

[rbj69]

yep in the past the hype got me to , but this dealer has been contacting me and he is making a strong statement with the BCE and he joins in with us all for our suggestions and so far hasnt done me wrong , and now wants me to do some test on the piece which gives him alot of character imho , and he knows that im picky and many here do as well and i will not put my reputation on the line for no one , ive been here too long to worry about one watch to be honest and he knew this upfront and still feels that strongly about his latest breitling pieces , all i can say is when i get it u will see it broke down and my thoughts on it just like i did the BCE and for me the BCE is almost perfect and not enough flaws to adjust , completely different piece as the past reps and a step up for breitling fans for sure (basically a mod free watch imho)

joe