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[Happy T]

Re: DO US BUYERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BUY FROM CONUS DEALER

First of all...I'm not even a dealer here ...I'm not recognized as one...I just find this topic interesting and wanted some feedback, so this thread in no way was meant to be self-serving. I always thought that this rep collecting hobby was more about community then a buyers/sellers market. By you saying that buyers should have no concern for the dealer and his risk I think is wrong. This venture is not a typical business and therefore there must be more thought involved than simply do you have the product now, with the lowest price, and the best customer service...I think for this to thrive you have to care about other factors that US dealers have to go thru...

That response was self serving in itself...... you're acting like for this community to "thrive" we "have to" or "should" support you because of what "you" perceive. I can tell you that your business model, IMO. is doomed to fail. Sometimes it pays to listen to what people are saying instead of trying to convince them that what they said was wrong.

 

[supermanx]

Re: DO US BUYERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BUY FROM CONUS DEALER

First of all...I'm not even a dealer here ...I'm not recognized as one...I just find this topic interesting and wanted some feedback, so this thread in no way was meant to be self-serving. I always thought that this rep collecting hobby was more about community then a buyers/sellers market. By you saying that buyers should have no concern for the dealer and his risk I think is wrong. This venture is not a typical business and therefore there must be more thought involved than simply do you have the product now, with the lowest price, and the best customer service...I think for this to thrive you have to care about other factors that US dealers have to go thru...

While some of us may realize what it requires to have a us dealer, most that purchase from a us dealer will not care. They will purchase from a us dealer first if there is the option and the price is reasonable. Most buyers will not care that you face more customs risks then they would (due to most overseas dealers replacing siezed watches versus you being out for any customs losts). It may be upsetting to realize, but my guess is B2K had many unhappy emails and threating pm's when his shipments got seized... I'm sure MOST people understood, but there is an ass in every group that will make his presence known.

 

[mjv]

question ; you wrote:i've sold maybe 10 watches at other forums in the last couple of weeks and everyone has been delighted and have had tremendous feedback...my current shipment, the watches have already sold while in transit.... how can you personally inspect a piece prior to it's us arrival, let alone sell as such? do you go overseas hand pick the shipment then return to the us? i,m confused about this issue as it is a headliner in your mission statement...pls elaborate
thanks
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[d4m.test]

Re: DO US BUYERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BUY FROM CONUS DEALER

not forum dealer

 

[supermanx]

I've bought from WBK a few times, and he has a good niche for himself... I also purchased from Razor because he had a watch i wanted NOW and his price was reasonable. I never bought from B2K because I felt his prices (sorry that was my personal opinion) were too high and many of his items were not instock. I've notice some of razor's prices seem a little high compared to the overseas counterparts now which I assume is due to the additional risk and losses from being a conus dealer, but frankly I haven't paid too much attention because he hasn't been around for a while and his latest offerings are all pams which do not interest me at the moment.

 

[Hambone]

It is true!

Conus has been known to obligate people to buy from them through sexual blackmail and their wide spread campaign to expose transvestites. In these instances people were forced to buy from them. :roll:

 

[d4m.test]

not forum dealer

 

[mjv]

that is good quality control you have there and it seems as if you can trust your supplier.....thanks for clearing that up. i think you would find a niche if you chose to become s dealer....look at WBK's backorder list for the smp gmt an excellent rep cosmeticly from what has become a 5 star dealer in my mind.....i guarentee all the back order request are conus....i think your efforts would be supported here if your bringing what the people want to the table......good luck

 

[cybee]

I think a dealer must first earn some degree of trust with the buyer and that takes a little time to establish. I will buy from the guy who gets me the watch I want at the price I want to my front door. I've purchased from WBK and TWA two great dealers right here. But I think it is great that you want to be a CONUS dealer. Another option for the buyers is great and I hope you do well.

But obligated? No just like I'm not obligated to buy a Ford. :shock:

hey hey hey , leave my ford out of this, lmao

joe

...oh sorry. I actually thinks it's too abd about some of the Ford Dealerships having to shut down. I used to own a Ford...

 

[Happy T]

Re: DO US BUYERS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO BUY FROM CONUS DEALER

...and Peyton has finally stopped choking.......

LOL... just a tad early to be making that statement. :lol: I like the guy and without question believe he is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game but their are 21 other positions that need to show up for a game. Peytons great abilities can only overcome so much. I believe the final outcome of the game depends more on how the Colts Defense plays than anything else.

Sorry for the thread jack. 8)


To get back on topic.... if we want to throwing a veil up that this is "for general discussion" sake, I am fine with that. My responses hold true to every dealer and not just you or ones here in the Con US. In business, value and perceived value can be two different things and usually are. One customer may perceive hand inspection a value and worthy of an extra $20... others may not. Some may want fast shipping and perceive a value for that.... others may not. Yes, some may even feel pricing is the only thing that is of value to them for their purchase.... others may not.

What I have spoke to in all of my post is basic business 101. Put together a business model and execute. If it fails the options are to modify your plan or conclude its not viable. The success of a business, most of the time, is determined by the business models success in giving the customer a product or service he perceives is a value. There are way too many individual things that decide what a perceived value is and many here have spoken to that. Don't get caught up in what one person posts but take them all collectively and objectively. Choose the right business model and people will come.

Trust me, I'm not trying to derail anyone's plans to become a dealer.... the question posted in the topic of this thread ask if US buyers have an Obligation to buy from US dealers..... the answer IMO is still no.

 

[supermanx]

I think "obligated" was the wrong question to ask... The question I think he really wants answered is would U.S. buyers prefer and even pay a premium for quality watches from a U.S. based dealer.

 

[d4m.test]

not dealer here

 

[crick]

obviously if the price is the same as their chinese coutnerpart, then its no questiosn asked that US dealers would be prefferred.

If maybe an extra 10-25 dollars, that would be great too (it would replace the cost of EMS shipping so technically u end up spending the same). Obvioulsy if the premium is too mcuh above the chinese coutnerpart, then that'll affect US sales.

It's all about the best deal with the best service for these watches.

it's never about the cheapest though - b/c u get what you pay for. if competitive enough, then US sales would rise.

my 2 cents

 

[d4m.test]

not dealer words

 

[crick]

@crick: i was wondering when you were going to pipe in! :lol:

8)

i post too much! :roll:

:arrow: there's also the issue of difficulty in increasing sales for non established dealers because so many members already have their "goto" dealer. so how do u steal other dealer's customers? incentives yay! but then you get in the RED and the paypal morons ... yadayadayada.

so i really appreciate the efforts of US based dealers. its tough, and it seems more like a dealing for the joy of it, not for great profits.

my three cents.

 

[crick]

Exactly, who in their right mind wouldn't pay a little more? Your getting the product quicker (always a plus for impatient fanatics), think about how many times you did the pointless upgrade to overnight while buying other products and spending 30-50 more just to get it a couple days earlier. Also QC is a huge issue, and if it's not that big of a deal to get from a dropshipper, then you've obviously never waited 3 weeks for a watch only to send it back once or twice until it comes in working order. Anybody nitpicking over $10-$30 is in the wrong hobby anyway, as a collector you have to factor in that watches are going to be expensive to purchase, repair, and maintain. So if the markup over asian competitors is that big of a deal to someone maybe they should try spending their time collecting something else.

wal-mart vs target. Obviously the masses dont care about quality and go shop at walmart. Price always seems to be a factor... even though places like wal-mart hurt the economy and causes people to loose jobs to those overseas.

 

[Happy T]

wal-mart vs target. Obviously the masses dont care about quality and go shop at walmart. Price always seems to be a factor... even though places like wal-mart hurt the economy and causes people to loose jobs to those overseas.

In the retail world Wal-mart has become the Microsoft of the IT world. There has been many interesting studies on the big picture effect of Walmarts and none of the studies agree with each other. Walmart carries a lot of "exceptable quality" everyday products at a low price under one roof. Low price, variety, and convenience is their business model and it works.

I don't buy into the Big bad Wal-mart theory myself..... I have been in the buying office in Bentonville and can assure you they indirectly support more jobs from US based companies from the increased business they generate. We added over 50 people to our payroll in manufacturer and sales jobs when we landed the Walmart account. Granted they hammered me on my profit lines but I will make more money selling 10,000 units at $2 than selling 1,000 at $2.25. The synergy from the mass productions well offsets the reduction in profit line.

hehe.... don't get me going.... I'm a total nut about free enterprise. :wink:

I can't believe I didn't get some smack back on Peyton. :twisted:

 

[crick]

not to throw the thread offtopic as i dont want to get into a wal-mart discussion - that can be saved for another thread, but i recall a time where walmart put a price limit on huffy bicycles for distribution. huffy couldn't supply it at that cost unless it was manufactured overseas...

even my beloved animation jobs are all shipped overseas all my fellow artists got laid off, i'm one of the few lucky ones that are part of the core team that managed to keep his job [smilie=crybaby2.gif]

i should move to korea.

 

[d4m.test]

not dealer here

 

[Goofy]

I can't figure out how you hope to compete head to head with the Asian dealers to begin with. They have many advantages over CONUS dealers.

1. Product has to come from Asia and the Asian dealers live at the source.
2. The more quantity you try to import increases the risk.
3. Asian dealers will always have first crack at the newest product.
4. CONUS dealers would not have quick access for parts and/or repairs.

I'm not saying it can't be done, but the odds are stacked against you. I'd be one of the first in line to buy CONUS as it would eliminate customs and expidite shippings times. I see it getting harder, not easier in the future for CONUS dealers IMO.