AP 7750 Cyclops TIME TO CHANGE.

[chris3007]

there is always something to learn when you write something
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[slaughterer62]

Yes, it would be SOOO easy for an ambitious and innovative Chinese factory (coughJ12cough) to redesign their existing cyclopses so that an after-market solution would not be necessary.

 

[slaughterer62]

there is always something to learn when you write something
I like it
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send from my iPhone

Thanks, but a lot comes out through communication with other members, and research into past projects on the rep sites. I get the feel that 2012 was sort of the high point for many of these types of modification projects, and that we are living though an interim phase right now. A lot of the guys who did AP modification and parts development in the past have since been banned or have returned to civil society or are MIA or are simply fed up with the hobby. There are at least 4 guys I would love to communicate with, but they are unreachable or just do not return mails, if you know what I mean.

 

[valante]

No problem for the pictures: they are fast iPhone pictures.
Because they are low quality photos, you do not see the depth effect of the magnification so well.
With increased magnification the DW seems to be 1.5mm lower than it actually is. You also get a bit of anamorphic distortion like the gen, esp when tilting the watch and looking at the date from an angle.
The nickname for the DW hole in AP circles is the "Black Hole" as the DW is deeper than most every normal DW.
This was the consequence of the using a piggy-back chrono construction, with DD module on top of a basis movement: the DW was under the chrono module.
Uwe aka fine__dd took the "Black Hole" nickname literally when he applied the black lacquer on the sides of his cyclopses. I have done this on a number of rep cyclopses (coloured the sides matte black), and advise it as it yields a cleaner site line into the date wheel cut out. It basically blocks reflections from the metallic parts cradling the cyclops from the side, and guides eye focus to the bottom of the cyclops.
There is also a trick where the date wheel cut-out is refinished: either brushed or made matte, to reduce reflection from off of it, to "assist" the AR a bit in reducing glare. If you look carefully at photos of gen DW cut outs you will see that many rep DW cut outs are not finished correctly at all. This is because the factory is quite happy to skip over refinishing the DW cut out and leave it either shiny metallic or finish it black. But there are many other finishes on gen DW cut-outs besides this. In any case, if you inspect the sec@12 movement you will see that the DW cut out is basically part of the bridge for the sec@12 transfer mechanism, and not removable. So refinishing it requires removal of that bridge, etc. etc.
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As far as cost, without being too exact, the cost of the basic cyclops without AR is--so far--not so much relative to the AR processing, which will be the most expensive part of the component, in the end. The cyclopses I have access to are sold without AR unfortunately. If a high quality double AR is applied, total cost of one cyclops would probably start to climb rapidly, to maybe higher end levels. But let me see. It is the weekend and my queries at the cyclops wholesaler will not be answered till next week, if at all, LOL.

Thanks for the helpful info mate.

It might become a standard needed upgrade for rep ROO, it will be perfect if you want to roll out a project gen spec font DW for it.
I will kiss you for that J....

 

[shaugn]

Great work! What kind of black lacquer did you use?

 

[OSX]

Thanks, but a lot comes out through communication with other members, and research into past projects on the rep sites. I get the feel that 2012 was sort of the high point for many of these types of modification projects, and that we are living though an interim phase right now. A lot of the guys who did AP modification and parts development in the past have since been banned or have returned to civil society or are MIA or are simply fed up with the hobby. There are at least 4 guys I would love to communicate with, but they are unreachable or just do not return mails, if you know what I mean.

slaughterer62, can I ask you the measurements of your mega cyclop?

 

[chromed.]

u, my friend, are a AP encyclopedia.

many thanks for your research&sharing the knowledge. like what chris says, i learn smth new everytime i read ur posts/threads.

 

[OSX]

Hey Slau! How is cyclop experiment going?

 

[tinitonsi]

This thread needs to be bumped... It will be very interesting to have have Gen-spec cyclops

 

[slaughterer62]

He he...

 

[tinitonsi]

He he...

You know what I'm talk about

 

[slaughterer62]

Would anyone buy these besides tinitonsi and I? The up-front investment is extremely large, and so is the MOQ.

 

[Garuda]

the cyclop mod is for the 7750 or franken? buy a fresnel lens sheet and cut a piece put under cyclops

 

[slaughterer62]

It is for 7750.
It will have two things.
1.) 2XAR gen-like AR (light blue)
2.) Greater magnification.

 

[tinitonsi]

the cyclop mod is for the 7750 or franken? buy a fresnel lens sheet and cut a piece put under cyclops

Lol, are you sure you'll have the same mag?

 

[slaughterer62]

fresnel is not going to work inside a 7750

 

[Curt941]

I would buy a few. Would love it if they worked on frankens too.

 

[rnrprof]

great idea but I don't think there are enough buyers there to warrant the development costs, basically because changing the cyclops is more involved than just the crystal and many who are at the edge of what they feel comfortable doing when changing crystals would not attempt to remove the dial to replace the cyclops.

 

[slaughterer62]

Looks like I am back at work on this then. The selling proposition is not only the 2XAR, but the correct mag. Maybe that will make people lift their dials on both their JFs and their Noobs.

 

[TONTCPAD]

Looks like I am back at work on this then. The selling proposition is not only the 2XAR, but the correct mag. Maybe that will make people lift their dials on both their JFs and their Noobs.

Awesome series of posts and awesome knowledge Slau- you are pushing the state of the art of this hobby/passion of ours.
the dw is the obvious and easiest flaw to identify on these reps. You are looking to solve this. All comes down to the cost point as usual but I would mod mine with this