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Could i inquire the PAM's connoisseurs opinion on the KW Bronzo V3 Please ?
- Thread starter DR3M3L
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- 18/1/11
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As far as I know there is no important changes leaving aside movement.
Maybe the brushing of the upper part of the bezel is more evident (previous was almost polished) and maybe chamfered of CG corners is improved
The external upper edge of the bezel remains narrower and not appropriately polished (IMO the most clear flaw). This is a visible part of the watch and KW should correct it in next versions.
ZFac V2, has a bit better and wider upper external edge of the bezel but the polishing is almost as bad as KW. Besides ZFac bezel knurling is very inaccurate.
Regarding movement KP9000-V2 from KW, it is obviously more accurate than ZFac ZP9000-V2, because the decorative balance cock is way closer to gen, the shape of the big decorative plate around the balance wheel is more accurate and the left "hole" for the balance wheel is bigger and closer to gen than ZFac. The only worse thing of KP9000-V2 in relation to ZP9000-V2 is the thicker inscriptions on decoration bridge.
Read about those "new" V2 movements a little review written in other RWI post:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=197198&p=1989397&viewfull=1#post-1989397
New decorations V2 based on A7750 movements, with non inverted layout, called ZP9000-V2 from ZFac and KP9000-V2 from KW
Both new decorations are based in the same idea:
- Keep the balance cock a little hidden under the escapement wheel and its support and the rest of parts involved in this zone of the watch. The real balance cock is always the same but remains hidden under the decoration.
- Makers are including a completely false and decorative balance cock starting in the opposite side and getting the same orientation as the gen balance cock
- Above mentioned allows to get a bridges decoration with the same layout as gen and with the inscriptions placed in the same way and orientation.
- Maker cannot avoid to have the balance wheel @11 since they are always using an A7750 as movement base. Whereas gen balance wheel is placed @7
Therefore we get a more accurate layout of the movement and inscriptions but completely rotated, because the balance wheel is placed in a different placement (that is teh same in previous decorations
What are the differences between ZFac ( ZP900-V2 ) and KW ( KP9000-V2 ) new non inverted decorations ??
- ZFac uses a false new decoration of balance cock with similar shape to previous versions but correctly orientated. As you can see in below pics this balance cock decoration is really inaccurate.
- KW is using a false new decoration of balance cock, much more accurate as you can see in below pics
- The "hole" in the balance wheel zone is bigger in gen in comparison with the reps. But, as you can see in the pics KW decoration plates have a shape more gen-like and leave a "hole" a bit more accurate than ZFac
- In order to hide the real balance cock ZFac has reduced this bridge almost to a bar. We don't know yet if this drastic reduction could affect the working of the movement, since the balance cock is supporting the upper tip of the balance wheel and with that reduction could transfer to the balance wheel more easily vibrations and external movements or impacts, affecting the overall running. We would need some time to know about this matter and get a wise opinion about from the future owner's comments.
- KW seems not to have reduced the real balance cock (or has made a very little reduction) thinking of the escapement wheel and its support, together with other parts placed in this zone, would be able to hidden or dissimulate enough the real balance cock. IMO this is a correct decision, because the real balance cock is barely seen under the escapemen wheel and the rest of the parts involved. I thinks it is no necessary to reduce the real balance cock and to take risks of movement working, because the real balance cock remain dissimulated enough in KW movement.
- Inscriptions on bridges, besides the placement and correct orientation, seem better than in previous versions. Just to say that ZFac inscriptions are nicer than KW, because KW are clearly thicker than gen. In this regard ZFac is superior to KW (maybe only in this regard)
Bellow are showed New V2 movements ZP9000-V2 and KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. The first pic shows the movements in the same alignment (sse the crowns)
Second pics show the rep movement rotated to match the position of the balance wheel
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2 WITH THE WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION. See aligned crowns
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000-V2 WITH THE WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION. See aligned crowns
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000 V2 WITH THE WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different positions
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000 V2 WITH THE WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different positions
IMO, leaving aside the inscriptions on decoration plates (really good in ZFAc), KW is actually more accurate and, most likely, more reliable.
We will see the working of both movements in the future
ALE
Maybe the brushing of the upper part of the bezel is more evident (previous was almost polished) and maybe chamfered of CG corners is improved
The external upper edge of the bezel remains narrower and not appropriately polished (IMO the most clear flaw). This is a visible part of the watch and KW should correct it in next versions.
ZFac V2, has a bit better and wider upper external edge of the bezel but the polishing is almost as bad as KW. Besides ZFac bezel knurling is very inaccurate.
Regarding movement KP9000-V2 from KW, it is obviously more accurate than ZFac ZP9000-V2, because the decorative balance cock is way closer to gen, the shape of the big decorative plate around the balance wheel is more accurate and the left "hole" for the balance wheel is bigger and closer to gen than ZFac. The only worse thing of KP9000-V2 in relation to ZP9000-V2 is the thicker inscriptions on decoration bridge.
Read about those "new" V2 movements a little review written in other RWI post:
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=197198&p=1989397&viewfull=1#post-1989397
New decorations V2 based on A7750 movements, with non inverted layout, called ZP9000-V2 from ZFac and KP9000-V2 from KW
Both new decorations are based in the same idea:
- Keep the balance cock a little hidden under the escapement wheel and its support and the rest of parts involved in this zone of the watch. The real balance cock is always the same but remains hidden under the decoration.
- Makers are including a completely false and decorative balance cock starting in the opposite side and getting the same orientation as the gen balance cock
- Above mentioned allows to get a bridges decoration with the same layout as gen and with the inscriptions placed in the same way and orientation.
- Maker cannot avoid to have the balance wheel @11 since they are always using an A7750 as movement base. Whereas gen balance wheel is placed @7
Therefore we get a more accurate layout of the movement and inscriptions but completely rotated, because the balance wheel is placed in a different placement (that is teh same in previous decorations
What are the differences between ZFac ( ZP900-V2 ) and KW ( KP9000-V2 ) new non inverted decorations ??
- ZFac uses a false new decoration of balance cock with similar shape to previous versions but correctly orientated. As you can see in below pics this balance cock decoration is really inaccurate.
- KW is using a false new decoration of balance cock, much more accurate as you can see in below pics
- The "hole" in the balance wheel zone is bigger in gen in comparison with the reps. But, as you can see in the pics KW decoration plates have a shape more gen-like and leave a "hole" a bit more accurate than ZFac
- In order to hide the real balance cock ZFac has reduced this bridge almost to a bar. We don't know yet if this drastic reduction could affect the working of the movement, since the balance cock is supporting the upper tip of the balance wheel and with that reduction could transfer to the balance wheel more easily vibrations and external movements or impacts, affecting the overall running. We would need some time to know about this matter and get a wise opinion about from the future owner's comments.
- KW seems not to have reduced the real balance cock (or has made a very little reduction) thinking of the escapement wheel and its support, together with other parts placed in this zone, would be able to hidden or dissimulate enough the real balance cock. IMO this is a correct decision, because the real balance cock is barely seen under the escapemen wheel and the rest of the parts involved. I thinks it is no necessary to reduce the real balance cock and to take risks of movement working, because the real balance cock remain dissimulated enough in KW movement.
- Inscriptions on bridges, besides the placement and correct orientation, seem better than in previous versions. Just to say that ZFac inscriptions are nicer than KW, because KW are clearly thicker than gen. In this regard ZFac is superior to KW (maybe only in this regard)
Bellow are showed New V2 movements ZP9000-V2 and KP9000-V2 in comparison with the gen. The first pic shows the movements in the same alignment (sse the crowns)
Second pics show the rep movement rotated to match the position of the balance wheel
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000-V2 WITH THE WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION. See aligned crowns
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000-V2 WITH THE WATCHES IN THE SAME POSITION. See aligned crowns
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED ZFac ZP9000 V2 WITH THE WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different positions
GEN P.9000 IN COMPARISON WITH DECORATED KW KP9000 V2 WITH THE WATCHES ROTATED TO GET MATCHING. See the crowns in different positions
IMO, leaving aside the inscriptions on decoration plates (really good in ZFAc), KW is actually more accurate and, most likely, more reliable.
We will see the working of both movements in the future
ALE
cheers