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Riots in Ferguson Mo.

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Try reading it. I didn't claim acquittal does not constitute unlawful arrest.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.


Only 12 of 50 states allow you to resist unlawful arrest. You quoted a case from 1900 and states have limited as a defense since. Good Christian law abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

I work with many white and black cops and they have the same attitude. Don't think a criminal is going to shoot the white cop and let the black one get away.
 

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Next he's going to say the cop is a racist and killed Michael Brown because he was a black man....

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The guy had the cigars on him...Jeez....the guy committed a crime ten minutes earlier and had the evidence on his person...and probably committed another crime by assaulting the officer....wow..Your really crazy enough to believe that the cop just decided to MURDER Michael Brown in cold blood? Unbelievable...

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The Police have admitted he didn't know that.
He wasn't stopped for that.
Gee, I wonder why a self confessed racist would side with the white cop?
Police also released CCTV footage that it said showed Mr Brown stealing a pack of cigars from a convenience store and intimidating its owner shortly before he was killed.

But Mr Jackson (police chief )said the 18-year-old was not stopped because of the incident and that the officer who shot him did not know he was a robbery suspect.

-parenthesis mine.
From BBC news

Nobody is saying the kid was a saint. He committed a crime. Does that give him a death sentence?
By that yardstick I guess you are ok with a cop shooting you at a traffic stop. I mean, he may not know you have sped but you no doubt have at some point. By your own process this would be ok...... Oh hang on. Slight correction- it would be ok if you are black
 

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What about assaulting the police officer? That doesn't matter either...right? Your a joke, just like the rioters and looters.

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Here's the problem, gmg, all kinds of people of every race, creed, color and religion commit crimes all the time. Black people commit crimes at disproportional rates, because they are disproportionately poor. Poor white people commit crimes at the same rates as poor black people BUT in much higher absolute numbers than black people - because they consist of a much larger part of the population. But it's seldom that petty crimes committed by white people end in death for them. So, it's easy for you to sit back and promote (or at least be so caviler about) the ultimate killing of someone for committing a petty crime when there's little chance that it will happen to your father, brother or son. That guys selling cigarettes simply should have been given a ticket, nothing more. He was there to harm people no more than your rep watch buying harms people (that's an argument for another day - but you get my point, we're talking physical harm here). And that big scary black man routine (he was 7'2 and 800 lbs) is overused. He was a person like you and I am. He should not have been arrested in the first place, no more than you should be arrested for crossing the street when the traffic light is red. He should have been given a ticket and allowed to live to become a better person in the future.

You ask who's at fault? The guy using the illegal chock hold, that;s who. That's why it's illegal. People prone to breathing problems die very easily when put in that hold. And under the law, it's a general principle that you take your victim as they come. Meaning, if you point a gun at a guy in an attempted armed robbery, you still get a felony murder charge even though you didn't pull the trigger when that guy dies of a heart attack. If you ram your car into the back of another car and kill the driver who had a eggshell for a skull when a normal person would have easily lived from the impact, guess what? You're still liable. And if you use an illegal chock hold and kill a guy with asthma, same thing.. you're responsible. That's the law my friend.

Back to crime for a minute. Specifically, White people use marijuana at much higher rates than black people, but black people are much much more lille to be arrested for it's possession. I came back to that point because the issue is not who committed a crime, it's how the government responds to it. And lastly, believe me, if cops were killing your unarmed kids in the back, you would be taking the other side of this argument. So, try and see this from someone else's point-of view, just for one min.
 

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Only 12 of 50 states allow you to resist unlawful arrest. You quoted a case from 1900 and states have limited as a defense since. Good Christian law abiding citizens have nothing to fear.

I work with many white and black cops and they have the same attitude. Don't think a criminal is going to shoot the white cop and let the black one get away.

Thanks for the climb down.
Good Christian law abiding citizens?- how quaint.
I am law abiding however God is a figment of humans imagination. The sooner this country learns that the sooner we can progress.
 

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The cop just shot the guy for no reason...is that what you want to hear?
This is going to be ruled as a justifiable shooting..you don't have to like it...as a matter of fact I hope you decide to join up with your masked associates and riot and loot or go assault a cop or rob a convenient store...do whatever makes you happy,,, because in your world none of those things are wrong...

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Here's the problem, gmg, all kinds of people of every race, creed, color and religion commit crimes all the time. Black people commit crimes at disproportional rates, because they are disproportionately poor. Poor white people commit crimes at the same rates as poor black people BUT in much higher absolute numbers than black people - because they consist of a much larger part of the population. But it's seldom that petty crimes committed by white people end in death for them. So, it's easy for you to sit back and promote (or at least be so caviler about) the ultimate killing of someone for committing a petty crime when there's little chance that it will happen to your father, brother or son. That guys selling cigarettes simply should have been given a ticket, nothing more. He was there to harm people no more than your rep watch buying harms people (that's an argument for another day - but you get my point, we're talking physical harm here). And that big scary black man routine (he was 7'2 and 800 lbs) is overused. He was a person like you and I am. He should not have been arrested in the first place, no more than you should be arrested for crossing the street when the traffic light is red. He should have been given a ticket and allowed to live to become a better person in the future.

You ask who's at fault? The guy using the illegal chock hold, that;s who. That's why it's illegal. People prone to breathing problems die very easily when put in that hold. And under the law, it's a general principle that you take your victim as they come. Meaning, if you point a gun at a guy in an attempted armed robbery, you still get a felony murder charge even though you didn't pull the trigger when that guy dies of a heart attack. If you ram your car into the back of another car and kill the driver who had a eggshell for a skull when a normal person would have easily lived from the impact, guess what? You're still liable. And if you use an illegal chock hold and kill a guy with asthma, same thing.. you're responsible. That's the law my friend.

Back to crime for a minute. Specifically, White people use marijuana at much higher rates than black people, but black people are much much more lille to be arrested for it's possession. I came back to that point because the issue is not who committed a crime, it's how the government responds to it. And lastly, believe me, if cops were killing your unarmed kids in the back, you would be taking the other side of this argument. So, try and see this from someone else's point-of view, just for one min.

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Thanks for the climb down.
Good Christian law abiding citizens?- how quaint.
I am law abiding however God is a figment of humans imagination. The sooner this country learns that the sooner we can progress.

See get rid of God and you get rid of humans being accountable for sin...

This is the m.o. folks....

Zero accountability!

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Relinquishing your rights because you have nothing to fear is a slippery slope to dictatorship and it makes those Good Christian law abiding citizens into bad Americans.
 

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The cop just shot the guy for no reason...is that what you want to hear?
This is going to be ruled as a justifiable shooting..you don't have to like it...as a matter of fact I hope you decide to join up with your masked associates and riot and loot or go assault a cop or rob a convenient store...do whatever makes you happy,,, because in your world none of those things are wrong...

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Nice leap. It obviously makes you feel justified in your judgement.
Of course the rioters are wrong.
Of course attacking a Leo is wrong
Just as killing someone is wrong especially when the shooter had no probable cause and no imminent threat.

I am guessing you thought George Zimmerman was justified.

Are some things legal? Yes- does that make them moral?

You hide behind this assertion that is as yet unproved that this will be a righteous shoot. That is not what most people are arguing, what they are arguing is "was it moral"

That is the part flying over your head
 

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It doesn't matter that he robbed the store.
Doesn't matter he assaulted a police officer.
He's not responsible for his actions...it must be the cops fault.

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See get rid of God and you get rid of humans being accountable for sin...

This is the m.o. folks....

Zero accountability!

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I am a good person because it is the right thing to do, not because of some perceived reward or from fear of some promised punishment.

You believe in God but are a self confessed racist- thanks, but you can keep your God. He sounds like a douche if you are living in his image.
 

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It doesn't matter that he robbed the store.
Doesn't matter he assaulted a police officer.
He's not responsible for his actions...it must be the cops fault.

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They just don't get it Mitch, they never will.
 

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It doesn't matter that he robbed the store.
Doesn't matter he assaulted a police officer.
He's not responsible for his actions...it must be the cops fault.

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Of course it matters he robbed the store, he should be duly tried and punished for his crime.
If he assaulted the police officer the same should be true.
Of course he is responsible for his actions- you are projecting again.
 

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Sure, you'd like to think that an atheist is automatically a bad person. That's like saying that all Christians are good people. And it's a fact that that's not true. I say that a person who is a law-abiding person just for the sake of being a good person is a much better man than the one who's doing it because he fears he's going to hell when he dies or that his God's going to punish him. That, I say is a coward.