QC's Post your QC pictures here

[Thrasher]

I for one 100% support this thread. I can see the obvious flaws without any help, I can go to jewelers because I live close to Los Angeles everything is here for me to see and that's fun. What about those that live in more rural areas who cant? I know they can look at Genuine's on the interweb but still there is nothing like holding a Genuine Sub and then holding a BK sub. You realize how close these reps are and wonder why anyone would spend 8K on one when BK and TC are so close. But as a newbie I want a little help in the beginning and am shocked at the attitude some members have that is basically saying learn the hard way in other words buy some sub standard product and latter as you learn more become disappointed and sell that watch at a loss. Any moderator can see I am here everyday reading and learning but I can only intake so much information in a short period. Having the ability to see other peoples QC photos and hear from others helps me to learn about the differences that may not be defects just variations. Through PMs a couple members have told me things that are helpful but not decision making. For instance the dealer didn't tell me that this movement has a lower VPH than the A2836. but upon study I see its 21k vs 28k and my genuine speedy pro with c 863 beats at 21k so I cam live with that level of smoothness. But the specific's I want to know the specifics in the end it wont make the decision I will but its nice to have friendly members helping us learn. If everyone was like member X I probably would have bailed on this hobby and that's no good for the forum or the dealers. We serious newbies just want a little friendly advise.

Thank You all

 

[Fiddo]

I would like to make a positive statement and say, those are without a doubt the best fingernails I've ever seen posted here.:thumbsup:

 

[egroegart]

Thrasher, the point we are trying to make is that pics of QC's is not what is going to be of help to noobs. Reading the reviews that members have spent countless hours making like I do will help them many times more than just looking at someone's qc pics. We've had people post threads about their qc pics and it usually ends up to be a giant fight and a lot of disagreements. Useless info IMO. The real helpful stuff is in the reviews that members have posted, when they talk about the specs on a watch, the flaws, the movements, etc. but the purpose of qc pics is not to help noobs out and shouldn't be. They are exactly what sharrkey stated they are for. I have handled gens too, but when I am researching a watch, I look reviews up on it here and read what people have said about their experience with the watch. I read about the movement in the movements section. I read about the known flaws on the watch. I look up the gen model and check out every angle on the watch and compare it to the rep. You don't need someone's qc pics to do this. Yes, ultimately it is up to the individual whether they want to buy the watch or not, and it is up to them to do the work and research and compare and read the reviews and comparisons. I try to help out as many people as I can on here and I do, but instead of spoon feeding if there is info readily available I point them to the threads to read. That way they can learn to do this on their own, so that in the future it will be easier for them.

It happens nightly and usually several times a night in the chatbox, someone wanting all the answers, "what's the best one to get" what is this movement, what are the flaws on this model. ............If we just automatically tell everyone all the answers they will never learn to do it on their own. So, I do give people my opinion, and help out, but I also show them where to go, how to use the site, because all the info you need is right here on the website. someone's qc pic of a misaligned hour marker is of no help to someone interested in getting a rep.

 

[PepitoGrillo]

Rules do exist for some reason, even when we don't understand why.
We are guest here, most of us even don't pay for being here, so the less we can do is listen to the people who makes this place possible.

 

[Thrasher]

Thrasher, the point we are trying to make is that pics of QC's is not what is going to be of help to noobs. Reading the reviews that members have spent countless hours making like I do will help them many times more than just looking at someone's qc pics. We've had people post threads about their qc pics and it usually ends up to be a giant fight and a lot of disagreements. Useless info IMO. The real helpful stuff is in the reviews that members have posted, when they talk about the specs on a watch, the flaws, the movements, etc. but the purpose of qc pics is not to help noobs out and shouldn't be. They are exactly what sharrkey stated they are for. I have handled gens too, but when I am researching a watch, I look reviews up on it here and read what people have said about their experience with the watch. I read about the movement in the movements section. I read about the known flaws on the watch. I look up the gen model and check out every angle on the watch and compare it to the rep. You don't need someone's qc pics to do this. Yes, ultimately it is up to the individual whether they want to buy the watch or not, and it is up to them to do the work and research and compare and read the reviews and comparisons. I try to help out as many people as I can on here and I do, but instead of spoon feeding if there is info readily available I point them to the threads to read. That way they can learn to do this on their own, so that in the future it will be easier for them.

It happens nightly and usually several times a night in the chatbox, someone wanting all the answers, "what's the best one to get" what is this movement, what are the flaws on this model. ............If we just automatically tell everyone all the answers they will never learn to do it on their own. So, I do give people my opinion, and help out, but I also show them where to go, how to use the site, because all the info you need is right here on the website. someone's qc pic of a misaligned hour marker is of no help to someone interested in getting a rep.

I appreciate your point very much and maybe I'm not digging deep enough, Please be patient this is to interesting for me but sometimes our desire to move forward fast out weights our ability to gather that information so we reach out for direct to the point answers. I imagine you guys get a lot of knuckle heads who are just passing through, I on the other hand plan on sticking around for a while because the whole watch industry is very fascinating I have always loved machines and business so its interesting. as a matter of fact I was reading an article in Wristwatch annual 2014 about the "fake industry" and how these watches contain nickel which is bad for you health, exploit child labor, aid terrorism and organized crime... What I read there I'm sure is 99% propaganda aimed at the guy who is on the fence and believes that the swiss watch industry would never tell a lie. Making money and having ethics mostly don't travel the same road so I doubt the Swiss suit is anymore honest than the Chinese businessman trying to feed his family. I just think having a place on the forum for direct questions is good and those members who want to help can and those that don't , don't have to. But you have my respect and I will continue to work hard to improve myself, the forum and if possible help others.

 

[Thrasher]

Rules do exist for some reason, even when we don't understand why.
We are guest here, most of us even don't pay for being here, so the least we can do is listen to the people who make this place possible.

Very Good Point.

 

[Hyjynx]

I would like to make a positive statement and say, those are without a doubt the best fingernails I've ever seen posted here.:thumbsup:

I'll second that emotion. Those fingers are the main reason Toro Bravo is one of my favorite TD. Oopsy! Did I just let the cat out of the bag?


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[Thrasher]

I would like to make a positive statement and say, those are without a doubt the best fingernails I've ever seen posted here.:thumbsup:

If you look closely at the first picture there appears to be some minor flaws and contamination along the leading edge of the thumb nail itself....

 

[egroegart]

Thanks Thrasher. I don't want you to think that I don't like answering people's questions. that's not it at all, in fact I love helping people, and I give back because when I was a noob here so many people helped me and pointed me in the right direction. I don't get a ton of emails but I get sometimes 2 or 3 a day, and I feel really honored when someone thinks highly enough of me to ask me those questions. So I spend time answering them. If I know a lot about the watch or movement that they are asking about I'll explain it and give them as much detail and personal experience with that particular watch that I have. and I'll also cite some threads for them to read. to see what others have had to say about it. It takes a lot of time to come up with responses and help people out like that, but I enjoy doing it. and I may give my opinion about whatever it is, but I always tell people that the choice is ultimately up to them, because everyone's taste is different, and also expectations are different too. I don't withhold information, but I always tell noobs how to use the site, where to look for certain things so that they can read the reviews and comparisons. yes, and people like you Thrasher, your questions to me have been good questions, and it is clear that you are genuinely interested in watches and everything about them,, but some arent' some of the people are drive bys, and don't care to learn a thing, and make an informed decision before buying a watch, or just want the cheapest one out there and expect it to be gen quality. and they want us to do all the work for them, and that just isn't going to happen. There's a lot of great people here and a lot that are more than willing to help out new guys.

Back to the original topic. That's why we are saying qc pics are not here to help people out learning about watches. That's what all the reviews and comparisons are for. So I refer people to those reviews and comparisons all the time. That's where you will learn a lot about the watches.

and sure. if you want to throw a qc pic up it's fine like they said, just follow the rules about it, and as long as it's posted in the right way there won't be any problem. I've posted my qc's before, but only because I've been so excited about them. Like I've said before, I'm not a super picky persoon when it comes to reps and minor flaws. Most of the flaws these watches have you can only see with a macro shot on your camera. If there is a major flaw or one that is very obvious to the naked eye, yes, of course I reject it. but like I said. I don't even need the qc's now because I totally trust my td's and they inspect and make sure I'm getting a good watch. I've always gotten the watch Ive ordered and also the watch that was in the qc pics.

So yes, I welcome questions. I don't know everything. I don't have a fraction of the knowledge of most of the guys here, but if I can help I definitely will. and the ones like you thrasher that have a genuine interest I am more than happy to help out, it's the ones that come on and just want you to do all their work for them and even decide for them what to get. that's not my job. Just to help out and cite threads they can go read about and give my opinion on matters. Dammit, I just wrote another damn book. sorry guys.

 

[egroegart]

Those are nice fingernails.........................By the way the person with the fingernails' name is Fred. So don't go gettin your stuff all in a tizzy. LMFAO

 

[egroegart]

and I also agree with one of the previous posters who said the noobs have and are ruining the qc process for us. We are lucky that the TD's have decided to give us that even, but this privelege is and has been abused a lot by noobs. by them rejecting perfectly good watches, even ones without flaws because they just thought there was a flaw but it wasn't. There are going to be flaws. you just accept those minor flaws and enjoy your watch. The TD's are pissed when someone is so anal about the tiniest little flaw, and recently one of our TD's retorted back about someone being too picky, which I was very happy that she did and let her feelings be known.

 

[rolexwatchfan]

Those are nice fingernails.........................By the way the person with the fingernails' name is Fred. So don't go gettin your stuff all in a tizzy. LMFAO

Seriously?

:lamo2:

 

[Fiddo]

I appreciate your point very much and maybe I'm not digging deep enough, Please be patient this is to interesting for me but sometimes our desire to move forward fast out weights our ability to gather that information so we reach out for direct to the point answers. I imagine you guys get a lot of knuckle heads who are just passing through, I on the other hand plan on sticking around for a while because the whole watch industry is very fascinating I have always loved machines and business so its interesting. as a matter of fact I was reading an article in Wristwatch annual 2014 about the "fake industry" and how these watches contain nickel which is bad for you health, exploit child labor, aid terrorism and organized crime... What I read there I'm sure is 99% propaganda aimed at the guy who is on the fence and believes that the swiss watch industry would never tell a lie. Making money and having ethics mostly don't travel the same road so I doubt the Swiss suit is anymore honest than the Chinese businessman trying to feed his family. I just think having a place on the forum for direct questions is good and those members who want to help can and those that don't , don't have to. But you have my respect and I will continue to work hard to improve myself, the forum and if possible help others.

Both you and the OP have some good points. Please, continue to post and comment. It's good to see new members post and participate.

 

[Fiddo]

and I also agree with one of the previous posters who said the noobs have and are ruining the qc process for us. We are lucky that the TD's have decided to give us that even, but this privelege is and has been abused a lot by noobs. by them rejecting perfectly good watches, even ones without flaws because they just thought there was a flaw but it wasn't. There are going to be flaws. you just accept those minor flaws and enjoy your watch. The TD's are pissed when someone is so anal about the tiniest little flaw, and recently one of our TD's retorted back about someone being too picky, which I was very happy that she did and let her feelings be known.

....and they (TDs) are probably cursing Lay for what he started.

( I think the former TD Lay at Replicamake was the one that started the whole QC pic several years back.)

 

[plankton]

Very Good Point.

That is a very good point, but......... by posting all the qc pics would be a detriment on the dealers. Clearly we need good and trustworthy dealers to continue this hobbie. Each dealer doesn't need or want the competition to see photo after photo of their product. In my opinion the reason no qc's posting exists is to protect the business of dealers and prospective factories.

in clearly appreciateing the rules but I do appreciate everyone's need to be able to post the qc's, if this is really important to the poster maybe he could create a site for qc posts only. A different site so not to break the rules here and on other sites.

 

[cybee]

Those are nice fingernails.........................By the way the person with the fingernails' name is Fred. So don't go gettin your stuff all in a tizzy. LMFAO

Well now, that's even more impressive but my stuff is still in a tizzie.

Both you and the OP have some good points. Please, continue to post and comment. It's good to see new members post and participate.

I agree. Nothing like a good healthy discussion and to let the new breed take over.

 

[TESLA760]

....and they (TDs) are probably cursing Lay for what he started.

( I think the former TD Lay at Replicamake was the one that started the whole QC pic several years back.)

Yes it was Lay. It was part of what drove him out of here.

There are people here who take QC pics and mark them up with notes , lines and circles. They send them back to the TD's demanding gen like accuracy. They attach gen pics as well. That's the ridiculous behavior that is taking place right now.

There should be an option for us normal folks to order watches at a discount with no QC. The ones who want to torture the dealer , should pay the markup.

 

[egroegart]

bet your butt Gio that the td's have a do not sell to list. That list does exist.

 

[TESLA760]

Oh , I know it does. They also have a "it's out of stock" response list. No one wants to deal with a pest. Imagine getting 8 different watches for someone ?

 

[rolexwatchfan]

Oh , I know it does. They also have a "it's out of stock" response list. No one wants to deal with a pest. Imagine getting 8 different watches for someone ?

I can see a vast array of members already on that list. (tic tac toe list)