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Current Noob v3 Sub versus BP

BlastRocketship

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The last time I saw a comparison between the BP and Noob was back when the Noob was at v1. It seemed to be a dead heat and each had flaws the other didn't.

What is the state of the Sub rep world now? The v3s are hard to get, are the BPs improved at all? Or are they stuck back in the days of the Noob v1?
 

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The last time I saw a comparison between the BP and Noob was back when the Noob was at v1. It seemed to be a dead heat and each had flaws the other didn't.

What is the state of the Sub rep world now? The v3s are hard to get, are the BPs improved at all? Or are they stuck back in the days of the Noob v1?

We talked about that a lot of time you should read the posts on Angus thread about the v3
 

BlastRocketship

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Hmm. I apologize. I didn't see that particular comparison. I'll double check.

IMO BP is highly superior than noob!

I just went back through the thread I thought you were talking about and couldn't find a comparison between v3 and BP. I then did a forum search and I still can't find anything. Mostly just opinions (maybe that's all there is).

I'm mostly wondering: has the BP been updated since 2009? Or is it still the same rep?
 

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I just went back through the thread I thought you were talking about and couldn't find a comparison between v3 and BP. I then did a forum search and I still can't find anything. Mostly just opinions (maybe that's all there is).

I'm mostly wondering: has the BP been updated since 2009? Or is it still the same rep?

I made a good comparison on the post but few pages ago! The BP hasn't been updated and still looks better than v3
 

BlastRocketship

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I made a good comparison on the post but few pages ago! The BP hasn't been updated and still looks better than v3

I'm ashamed to ask, but could you link me to the thread? I am having a very hard time finding the thread you are talking about.
 

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IMO, BP is more accurate to gen in more details (but not all) but v3 is the better, higher quality watch.
 

BlastRocketship

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IMO, BP is more accurate to gen in more details (but not all) but v3 is the better, higher quality watch.

Can you build on this idea? I feel like this is such a newbie-type question, but none of the comparisons seem to have much detail:

  • Bracelet - ?
  • Clasp - ?
  • SELs - ?
  • Lume - ?
  • Dial - BP wins here
  • Hands - ?
  • Insert - BP wins here
  • Build quality - the v3 Noob wins
 

Alex_P1

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I've found that BPs often look better, but the Noobs feel and wear (in both senses of the word) better.

if you go BP, get a refurbished ETA as they don't seem to do so well with clones.
 

BlastRocketship

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I've found that BPs often look better, but the Noobs feel and wear (in both senses of the word) better.

In the case of wearing better and feeling better, should I buy a Noob and purchase BP parts to replace the inaccurate ones?

if you go BP, get a refurbished ETA as they don't seem to do so well with clones.

Hmm. I don't like the sound of that. I love my watches and my watch collection. I'd much rather have a nice, high quality, movement. Even my Alpha Submariner homage has a high beat sweeping seconds hand.

Are the clones actually failing? Or do they suffer from stutter?

Side note: both the Noob v3 and the BP seems to come with the same "clone A2826". Are they each cloning the movement independently? Or are they sourcing them from a common place?
 

Alex_P1

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I'm not an expert but wouldn't expect the BP and Noob parts to be interchangeable.

a good clone, in my opinion, runs as well as an ETA. You couldn't tell them apart by watching the second hand. I've never had one fail.

A couple of TDs have told me that BP clones aren't as reliable as those from other sources, no idea why, not sure if they are from different sources or due to the factory handling them.

I've got a BP GMT Master 2 and it is one of the nicest watches in my collection.

With all due respect, you need to buy a rep before you can be sure what they are like. You'll either be amazed or appalled, pay your money and take your chance!
 

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I don't know how you guys see this, but at the moment I think the V3 is perfect apart from the hour markers.

I can't wait for the first in depth review :drool:
 

BlastRocketship

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I'm not an expert but wouldn't expect the BP and Noob parts to be interchangeable.

Hmm, okay.As a newcomer, I would've expected most reps and gens to have interchangeable parts; seems like the easiest way to reproduce something (especially if you have the original in your hands). As an engineer, I know the hardest part of producing something is the engineering... production is relatively simple; so if you have an engineered piece in your hands, simply reproduce it... don't redesign it.

But, that's me coming from the outside.

(Also, I mostly meant swapping bracelets and inserts...)

With all due respect, you need to buy a rep before you can be sure what they are like. You'll either be amazed or appalled, pay your money and take your chance!

Oh, definitely. You're totally correct. But as someone who ONLY owns gens (and rigorously researched and carefully purchased gens, at that), it's a terrifying and thrilling idea. My concern is not making a "bad choice" it's "regretting my choice". I accept that the BP and Noob are fantastic replicas each with their own idiosyncrasies. What I DON'T accept is that they're equally right for me... one is better for me than the other. I just want to figure out which one.

I don't know how you guys see this, but at the moment I think the V3 is perfect apart from the hour markers.

I can't wait for the first in depth review :drool:

An in depth review would be amazing right now. I'd study every pixel in detail. But, for what it's worth, I didn't know the hour markers had been called into question! This is exactly the info I'm trying to gather. Right now I have:


  • Bracelet - ?
  • Clasp - ?
  • SELs - ?
  • Lume - ?
  • Dial - BP
  • Hands - ?
  • Insert - BP
  • Build quality - Noob
  • Hour markers - BP
  • Etched crown - ?
  • Water resistance - ?
  • Date window - ?

So, BP seems to be pulling ahead... but surely there's a reason why the Noob gets so much attention.

EDIT: I've read on RWG that a BP with Noob bracelet is considered the best of the best. Is this generally accepted?
 

BlastRocketship

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I just put in an order with PureTi.me for the Noob v3 mostly because of the bracelet. Expensive piece of kit. I'm opting for the 10% discount via WU, but WU charges $25 to send cash quickly. Finicky business.

Now I'm waiting with a slight heart palpitation for instructions on how to blindly send money across the world.
 

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Bp looks nice when you look it on the straight.From the side crystal height destroys the watch.I got one and sold immediatelly for this reason.Couldn't stand this.Also when you hold it seems low quality watch.

Long time Rolex fan myself noob v3 is an improvement.Of course they could do better, but if someone chooses one with good QC is a great one !!!Green one is really nice.Bp green is not even ceramic.
Crystal on v3 is nice with nice LEC and AR, pearl is great and they tried to fix dial markers and pearl triangle.
 

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I own a BP currently and I feel like I could give you some of my thoughts I gathered from the posted V3 pics...
The bezel:
The font is too thin, yet quite correct. I could see no difference in the fonts between V3 and BP. The BP often has the numbers off centered. QC issue...
The angle of the ceramic insert is clearly wrong. The V3 bezel seems correct.
Crystal height is wrong on both of them, but the BP is worse.
The clicking action on the BP felt kinda seized and it was difficult to turn - you'll read that often. I disassembled the bezel, replaced the double sided tape and cut it right, lightly greased it and reassembled it. The clicking feel is now amazing!
Let's say The BP bezel is a typical lack of QC. I heard the V2 bezel feels amazingly out of the box, but I can't comment on this. btw: The BP bezel has very little play if you wiggle it cw - ccw. This is due to the ratchet pin being 0.2 mm smaller than the hole it fits in.
The bezel itself is much too low profiled on the BP. You'll also feel it when turning it. Your hand tend to slip over it (after owning a noob v1 which is known to have a very loose bezel I kind of like it though :) ) However the V3 looks amazingly good in this point.

The bracelet:
No question - the V3 wins in terms of looks and probably esthetics.
The SELs are already good on the BP, but stick out too far and have that sharp edge on the bottom the gen doesn't.
The V3 SELs look convincing to me and I have faith in them to be the first ever correct Rolex SELs on any rep :)
The threads on the BP suck arse. The screws also look cheap. MUCH MUCH better on the noobs V2 and V3. I'd say the V2 and V3 screws and links look gen.
The clap on the BP is not even worth mentioning it. It doesn't lock, it feels and looks cheap and the safety buckle won't even close on mine. From what I've heard the V2 clasp was amazing. I doubt the V3 clasp is much worse, however I saw they messed a bit with the gaps on the V3 clasp.

Dials:
Except for the lume application the BP dial is perfect imho. I love it! The lume (although it does it job very well in terms of glowing :) ) is applied very unevenly and I could spot impurities etc.
I never liked the noob dials. I know the fat hour markers aren't really a flaw, because there was a series of gens who had these hour markers as well, but I don't like their looks... You can judge yourself.
Btw: Why is everyone saying the Rolex crown is such a flaw on the V3???

Hands:
I like the BP and the V3 hands, but again, my BP hands look as dirty as if someone found them on the highway...
My BP was very dusty on the inside anyways :culpability:

The crystal:
I like both crystals. they both feature very good LEC and have AR'd cyclops. Side note: my BP cyclops was twisted which is annoying, again a QC issue...

The case:
The case on my BP is amazingly good. The finish is a bit too shiny, but nothing one couldn't fix.
The crown guards on the BP are spot on as well as the lugs and everything else. That was a big flaw on the V2, but they seemingly fixed the CG on the V3.
I think the V3 case went very well.

The crown:
The crown position on both of the BP and the V3 is too low compared to the gen, but honestly - who cares?
The quality of the BP crown is SHIT! Swap it! My noob V1 crown felt pretty ok, so I presume the V3 crown will be good as well.

Last but not least, the pearl:
I was amazed how the BP pearl looked when it was released, but looking closely the noob wins again. It has a better shape (the BP is just cylindrical) and the lume on my BP isn't applied very well. QC issue again -.-

All in all the V3 wins in my eyes. I would try to get a V3 and swap the dial, or at least the hour markers. If you have too much cash left over look for a gen bezel and you're done!

Cheers
 

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im trying build the perfect v3.but need the prototype dial i have a bp to use hour markers.and im using my amazing bp glidelock clasp as it works perfectly and looks gen unlike the v3 clasp lack of black laser print and incorrect crown on fliplock,so ive put wanted ads on all 4 forums asking for the dial ,as gen mk3 dial is way to expensive.i have gen ar crystal ready to go in,the v3 crown looks too small so i may put tc crown and tube on it.the v3 sels look perfectly sunk below the reworked lugs,the cg look to be greatly improved over the v2,crystal height on v3 will be lowered to gen height with the gen gasket,or ill sand the noob to 1.8mm .i may use bp hand set.then save for gen insert
i forgot to say about the v3 rehault engravings they may aswell be gen amazing
 

live1

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I am very curious about the V3 rehaut engravin...

it may aswell be gen.the v2 engravings were correct but not nearly deep enough.the bp engravings were laughable especially the crown at 12 looks like a foot