I asked because I'm not hearing anyone talk about it,,, I'll keep my opinion to myself but why is this not being discussed?
He's the new cg's:
He's the new cg's:
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Opinions Please, TC's new cg's
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A 16610 Mitch? Definatley NOT the right shape CG's. That is interesting being all the banter about how close and great the TC is. Funny too, the CG's have never ever been right in my tenor in rep'dom. So go figure.
Hmmmmm... They're a bit disappointing... Definitely too stubby and I agree with omega guy...
What's your opinion Mitch?
What's your opinion Mitch?
Hmmm... Mitch do you really think it looks that bad???? I think it may just be the photo you are using (which I cleaned up a little and reposted below). I TC has has been experimenting a bit with the design, but that he was still using the same TC case set (WM9 mold) and the tweaks were to the crystal, dial, DWO etc. I wasn't aware of any changes to the crown guards since the V2, but Let's take a closer look:
Here's a Gen to use as a baseline:
Latest TC (V5???):
TC (V4):
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tMsK48TcX40/UmGXmr1CoNI/AAAAAAAAcwI/lyTwbXdsYus/s800/tcsubvseriesv4.jpg/IMG]
TC (V3)
[IMG]http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj526/tc670207/TC%20LV%20Sub%20Review/TC-LV-Sub-05.jpg
TC (V1)
Here's the original BK WM9:
Here's the picture you posted originally (I cleaned up the color and exposure a little):
I don't think there have been any radical changes made to the appearance of the cg over the course of the evolution of the TC sub. The V1 was a bit too sharp and might have opened up a bit too wide. From V3 through V5 though they look pretty good to me and are not far off from the gen. The gen tapers in a bit towards the top of the cg when looking directly at the dial (face up) and from angles where you are view the watch from the bottom up or top down. I am not sure you can see this effect in these photos, but that was something I have noticed in the past. The TC CG's are little to round at the top, like the SD 16660. I haven't owned a TC sub, so I can just go off the pictures and lighting and angle may be influencing my opinion.
Just for the sake of comparison, here's a photo of the BP 16610, which you can find for around $200 from a TD with a clone movement:
Overall, the BP sub has issues, but the case set itself looks good.
opcorn:I don't own a TC Sub. For that matter, I never owned a 16610 and have no plans on buying one, since I am an SD 16660 kind of guy. I might go for a blue 16613 if TC ever makes one--but until then I am not interested (at least for now). I am not singling you out and I am not sure why you would think that. My comments were about the watch's CG's not you. Also, let's be fair Mitch. I know you said you weren't giving your opinion in your OP, but asked "what do you think of these CGs" and said "I am not giving my opinion, just asking for comments". You also already sold the watch. It doesn't take much of a genius to read between those lines.
As for the picture, I certainly did NOT "doctor" your photo to make the watch look better. The exposure and white balance of the photo were way off so I corrected those issues to the extent I could and cropped it a little to get a better close up. It didn't come out so great, but it was the best I could do with what I had to work with. In any case, I posted two photos of the V5 CG's--one from TC's site and the one you posted, along with pictures of the V3, V4, Gen and BP. In my opinion, the CG's aren't bad at all on the V5. I am just giving my honest opinion. If they are way off and I am missing something, then I am wrong. What do I give a f-ck? It's no skin off my back. I just enjoy the hobby.
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Well I bought one and unless my eyes were out of focus the cg's looked like those pictures....and I sold the watch because I didn't want regmariner cg's on my TC watch...and I've compared my wm9 subs to both old and new TC cases and to me they look nothing alike,,, but that's just my three, maybe mine are different then the other ones...who knows?
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You got that one wrong, that's my watch and picture taken by me.TC (V4):
It's a TC V3 and not V4, even says so in the title of the thread where you took the picture from.
Hmmm... maybe there are some changes to the CG's but I think it would be a mistake to compare the accuracy of any aspect of a rep by comparing it against another rep and non of the 16610's are really as incredible or amazing as the hype suggests. Frankly, I think the case set used for the BPSD is much closer to gen then any TC or WM9 case.
@mostling: I don't care if you called your watch a v3 in your thread, but it's not a V3. The TC V3 is an 16610LN that TC built using the same a V-series case set used on the V2, but was modded by TC to remove the engravings and it was also sold without an insert, but with a swiss movement. You had the latest version of the 16610LV which you ordered in "Type III" configuration, which means you got the LV case set, with a clone movement, maxi dial and no insert. There is nothing wrong with you being a noob or missing the point of a discussion, but don't come in here with your 32 posts and start acting like a condescending asshole that knows everything. I am not going to take sh*t from a noob like you that hasn't earned his stripes.
@Mitch. Unlike mostling, I know you know your watches so maybe I am missing something here. Care to share your thoughts and opinion as to what exactly is different about the CG's on the latest TC build (whatever version we choose to call it).
I no expert here,but would it be fair to assume that the crown guards are shaped/polished by hand and that will result in small changes in shape or consistency with rep and gens alike?
Mike116, they definitely aren't shaped by hand. The case starts as SS that is poured in a mold. The blank us then allowed to cool and is ejected. It the passed through several automated CNC lathes that follow a CAD design. Each machine adds progressively more detail. The final polish and finishing might be done manually on a lathe, but this should not really effect the CG shape in a material way. There maybe other alternative ways to fabricate a case, but this is the modern way most machine shops use.
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Set the difference between the new case and the TC as we know it is the new case crown seat isn't cleaned out and the cg's are wider at the bottom and thinner at the top...also in my opinion they could be too short to rework.....all in all, I was pretty sick that we weren't informed of the change prior to offering the watches for sale.....I started to demand a refund from BK, but with the watches in such demand I new someone would want it.....Rudy40 has about 100 pics to document the differences...
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