Thought it might be worth posting this from Repgeek
Originally Posted by milesd
Okay, I'm going to say it and it's not going to be a popular opinion... I think this was a very deceptive "PreSale". You knew that people wouldn't like the case with the "wood" pattern so you didn't post pictures of it even though youhad them stating "The case will be improved" which is an obvious lie. When multiple dealers already have it, it's no longer a prototype it's a sample for you to take photos so you can take orders. You was just banking on the hype and knew he would get a ton of preorders with the single photo. Look at the Noob Sub-C that watch was supposed to be a prototype yet it's available for sale. People didn't like what they saw so they aren't going to order it. Had people saw all the photos I doubt you would have gotten as many orders as you did.
Look, I understand we are dealing with reps so it's never going to be perfect, but that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about not showing the entire watch to help with sales even though you knew it wasn't going to be a great product. Sure, it's a good first attempt but saying that there will be countless improvements this far along is just silly. Remaking all the cases is out of the question.
The first sample I got had the "wooden grains" on the front case, I immediately told him this wont sell if the case is like this, he told me it will be greatly improved and that is what I wrote on the forum and my web-site.
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Why do I have to lie? Just to make some money on the pre-order and run away with the money? I wouldnt ruin my reputation with one or 2 watches.
The wooden marks you saw on the final sample was on the side of the watch but there was no such marks on the first sample, the front wooden marks were improved but I didnt know why there are some on the side which was not exist on the first sample.
If you want to talk about the SUB-C then let's talk about the SUB-C, do you see the SUB-C on my site? The first pic I posted on the forum was when I was in the noob office, they were confident showing me the watch so I posted the wrist pic here. Then I found the problems and I reported to the maker. I told him I would not sell this watch if it is like this, everyone knows I have a good relationship with noob maker but I still stand PureTime only sells the best. This brought me and the noob maker into a difficult time and I had never told anyone.
I have explained everything on the pre-order, I didnt show everything because you would not like the watch if I showed the images, I didnt say I had only one image and this is a lie. I said the case was going to be improved and the part I was talking about is really improved. I always say if you dont like it and I will refund without question asked, I said this AGAIN right after I posted the final pics and I said "If you regret the pre-order and please feel free to let me know".
Now doing replica business has been more and more difficult, my price is not the cheapest, I have 3 offices and a team of 15 staffs to pay, my only advantage is the makers would give me the watch a few days / weeks earlier than the final release date so I can take pre-orders to make more money to support my business. I said my life will be much easier if I am only a regular dealer working on my own and no these hassels.
I am sorry to make this pre-order look bad to you and it was not my intention.
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