A mechanical movement is a modern marvel of miniature engineering and is impressive to have and love... so is there any major reason we don't see more quartz movements for sale on TD's websites as a movement option on the newer version or noob versions where possible (i.e.. glass back not possible) looking beyond the art of hand tweaking movements as a hobby which i cant not say is fascinating, painstaking, and in a way, i also believe classy. . I have some gen Quartz chronos and they function no less than fantastic and accurate; so i know it doesn't make the quality of the watch "feel" cheap. so what gives? are they not less expensive, wouldn't it be more economical to have the same effect if you only care about how it looks and feels on the wrist... well its your opinion I seek here-not my own. I am aware that some TD's have offers of these Quartz "dope" versions as i would call them, but this seems limited to few and far between on the better of reps?
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Quartz movement frowned upon?
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If the gen comes in quartz then they usually do. But if not, they usually don't. Especially in high end reps where the main thrust is accuracy.
I am still looking for Quartz with a sweeping second hand. I have seen some TD that stated sweeping second hand that mimic 7750 movement. But want to see up close before a shell out two hundred dollars for a quartz!!
quartz watches are amazing. they almost destroyed the mechanical watch industry when they came about for a very good reason.
The Seiko Electronic EL 370 was made about 1970 just before the quartz watch was perfected. It had a battery powered electronic movement with mechanical gears and had day and date and a second hand that swept without any jerks. The sweep second hand is really nice. I've seen sweep hand electric wall clocks but not seen it with watches since that Seiko.
To me, quartz movements don't cheapen the value of the watch. I have a gen TAG Aquaracer 500M that was NOT cheap, nor is the watch cheap feeling -- in fact, it's quite the heavy tank. Some members prefer quartz watches for the kind of hard work w/ knocks and shocks over a sensitive mechanical. Plus, it gives you more accurate time consistantly. JMO.
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There are quite a few quartz movements with sweeping hands or that can be hacked into sweeping hands. But activating that stepper motor 8 times per second instead of once every second to give that automatic like movement comes with a price, a very high battery drain. That's why you don't see to many sweeping hand quartz watches, who wants a watch that needs a new battery every two months.
just saw Django it was Bad Ass!!!
With respect I'd like to ask for a second opinion on this gentleman's comment.
WBK has some quartz watches; that he states as follows concerning for sale watch
"It has a working chrono movement that is quartz, but
IT MIMICS THE 7750 MOVEMENT!
It has a Saphire crystal with a nice AR
This watch is finished in Stainless Steel with a PVD coating!
The strap is a soft supple leather with matching accents with a signed PVD buckle.
The case measures 46mm, not including crown or lugs.
Now here is the cool part!
THE MOVEMENT!!!!
The quartz movement in this watch mimics the 7750.
The chronos work.
The second hand is in the 6:00 Subdial
When you push the top chrono pusher, the sweep second hand sweeps!
IT DOES NOT TICK, IT HAS A SMOOTH SWEEP
AND
When you reset the chrono, it resets like the auto movement, not like the usual quartz chrono.
In other words, when you run the second timer hand to 15 seconds, and press reset, it goes BACK to 12:00. It does not forward around the dial.
All in all, a very nice watch"
End Quote- this was taken without expressed permission of WBK from a thread on this forum(sorry if I offend)
Would said type configuration of quartz working really only last a few months before a needed battery change?
Seems dismal if true!
btw WBK seems to have dope omegas in quartz from what ive seen and i cant concretely grasp the memory of who had a wonderful looking DDSD with this in mind and In the spirit of inquiry I continue, keeping the original threads beginning of fresh conscious. there are certain watches ive seen with stated "jap quartz" that are almost always of "inferior all around quality" in comparison to the better versions with mech movements.
you cant take this last bit of word vomit as a comment and the following as a question.
lets say for example there is a watch that you can't find for sale in a "high quality" version in quartz,(see pic one) but you can find said watch in "lower quality" in quartz. Would it be easy to get this "custom" just the way you like it with high quality AND still quartz version? Given there may be extra work to to make this happen and taking into consideration it may not be possible in some situations, Is this crazy to ask? would it end up being just as expensive because custom?
would the housing need to be exactly the same size for something like this to work?
OR is this improvisation something that is only lucky from the factory for those who want quartz?
thank-you everybody in advance for taking a stab at my vast ignorance on this subject and merry x-mas to all!!!:cheers:
With respect I'd like to ask for a second opinion on this gentleman's comment.
WBK has some quartz watches; that he states as follows concerning for sale watch
"It has a working chrono movement that is quartz, but
IT MIMICS THE 7750 MOVEMENT!
It has a Saphire crystal with a nice AR
This watch is finished in Stainless Steel with a PVD coating!
The strap is a soft supple leather with matching accents with a signed PVD buckle.
The case measures 46mm, not including crown or lugs.
Now here is the cool part!
THE MOVEMENT!!!!
The quartz movement in this watch mimics the 7750.
The chronos work.
The second hand is in the 6:00 Subdial
When you push the top chrono pusher, the sweep second hand sweeps!
IT DOES NOT TICK, IT HAS A SMOOTH SWEEP
AND
When you reset the chrono, it resets like the auto movement, not like the usual quartz chrono.
In other words, when you run the second timer hand to 15 seconds, and press reset, it goes BACK to 12:00. It does not forward around the dial.
All in all, a very nice watch"
End Quote- this was taken without expressed permission of WBK from a thread on this forum(sorry if I offend)
Would said type configuration of quartz working really only last a few months before a needed battery change?
Seems dismal if true!
btw WBK seems to have dope omegas in quartz from what ive seen and i cant concretely grasp the memory of who had a wonderful looking DDSD with this in mind and In the spirit of inquiry I continue, keeping the original threads beginning of fresh conscious. there are certain watches ive seen with stated "jap quartz" that are almost always of "inferior all around quality" in comparison to the better versions with mech movements.
you cant take this last bit of word vomit as a comment and the following as a question.
lets say for example there is a watch that you can't find for sale in a "high quality" version in quartz,(see pic one) but you can find said watch in "lower quality" in quartz. Would it be easy to get this "custom" just the way you like it with high quality AND still quartz version? Given there may be extra work to to make this happen and taking into consideration it may not be possible in some situations, Is this crazy to ask? would it end up being just as expensive because custom?
would the housing need to be exactly the same size for something like this to work?
OR is this improvisation something that is only lucky from the factory for those who want quartz?
thank-you everybody in advance for taking a stab at my vast ignorance on this subject and merry x-mas to all!!!:cheers:
This is what I have been talking about. I started a thread about it in no flame!
With little responce. So I would like to know! What kind of movement this is in WBK Rep's that mimics the 7750 is it the same movement that are in are TD list. That states OS movements. Or are they different Quartz movements!! And does it really have smooth second hand!! Are there any owners here that have these. I would like to know if anybody has any input on this subject! Even if it was as smooth as a 21j I would be happy ! I have noticed on some sites that the quartz OS has been put in a 7750 case which is a much more high end case. So they are putting quartz movements in better cases! So any input from owners of these Rep's would be very helpful!! Peace out Mates!
With little responce. So I would like to know! What kind of movement this is in WBK Rep's that mimics the 7750 is it the same movement that are in are TD list. That states OS movements. Or are they different Quartz movements!! And does it really have smooth second hand!! Are there any owners here that have these. I would like to know if anybody has any input on this subject! Even if it was as smooth as a 21j I would be happy ! I have noticed on some sites that the quartz OS has been put in a 7750 case which is a much more high end case. So they are putting quartz movements in better cases! So any input from owners of these Rep's would be very helpful!! Peace out Mates!
Why? You think the engineers who design these movements don't put any passion in their work? I think the engineers from Seiko who designing one of their solar-atomic quartz watches put the same amount of work and passion as the division from Seiko designing their automatic watches. Both movements are built by robots in factories anyway, only high end very expensive automatics are still build by a skilled watchmaker.
The problem with the sweep hand on a quartz watch was the amount of energy it required and the drain it put on a battery. Couple that with a chronograph complication and the reliability was reduced due to the life span of the battery. Bulova has created a very nice quartz movement with a super smooth sweep, almost too smooth. These are expensive movements though and are every bit as technically relevant as any mechanical watch. To say these watches have no soul is like comparing an Ipad to a calculator. Modern quartz movements are technical marvels and not like your middle school Casio digital watch. There are some purist who believe a mechanical watch is in it truest form and you will even find some who believe an automatic movement does not qualify. Similar to those who believe a car is soulless if it does not have a standard shift.
The rep world tends to put movements where they belong and those watches that have quartz movement in their genuine form should include quartz movements in their rep form. Sourcing quartz movements that function with reliable sweep movements may not be as easy as stated especially if they are being used to replace mechanical movements.
The rep world tends to put movements where they belong and those watches that have quartz movement in their genuine form should include quartz movements in their rep form. Sourcing quartz movements that function with reliable sweep movements may not be as easy as stated especially if they are being used to replace mechanical movements.
Apart from the Bulova watches (expensive!) the only true quartz I know of with a sweeping seconds hand was the SEIKO QUARTZ 5S21-8A19. The stepping motor pulsed every 1/4 second driving the train through a spiral spring and viscous damper arrangement that smoothed out the pulses so giving the impression that the gear train was moving the seconds canon continuously. It was not of course, it was the "lag" from the viscous coupling that smoothed the 240bpm "tick"
It needed around four batteries per year. Seiko gave up on the project after, AFAIK only the one model with that movement as they couldn't overcome the high battery drain problem.
I am not in to the snobery that surrounds the quartz/mechanical argument and have watches with both types of movement.
I often hear of someone who knows someone who has seen/owns a smooth sweep quartz but when questioned or researched it always has come to nothing.
It needed around four batteries per year. Seiko gave up on the project after, AFAIK only the one model with that movement as they couldn't overcome the high battery drain problem.
I am not in to the snobery that surrounds the quartz/mechanical argument and have watches with both types of movement.
I often hear of someone who knows someone who has seen/owns a smooth sweep quartz but when questioned or researched it always has come to nothing.
Yes and very well built, this newer line called the Presionist is an outstanding movement. I like autos but I also really like some of my quartz as well.:sub4me:
I understand what this member is saying but it sounds like some revolution or freedom statement. Last week I was as at an AD and almost purchased a gen Tag Link in quartz movement. The watch was $1800 but I was torn between this and a very nice Hamilton. Now some will say how can you even stack a Tag up to a Hamilton but what pushed me over to the Hamilton was the fact that it had an ETA automatic movement and for nearly $1000 less than the Tag with a quartz. My point is the movement does not define the brand, the brand defines itself. The rep world is not going to revolutionize the gen world just because we will buy a rep version in a quartz movement. And you can find many Rolex, Omega and Tag reps in a variation of designs and movements that do not exist in the gen market but why would you. I will debate the idea that we buy these to fool others or even impress others because 99% of the people you run into either do not recognize the watch you wear or know who Hublot, Omega, Patek or most of the other brands we wear are.
And believe me, the rep market is not trying to revolutionize or even put its foot print in the world of horology. It is purely a industry of profit. I am sure many of you will say that is all the gen makers are after but they at least have the desire to continue to innovate. If the rep maker felt they could drop a quartz movement in all of their watches and earn an extra 10% because of it, none of us would have any other option.
Well I'm an owner of a bulova precisionist (96b130).. Have the watch over a year now and the battery still works.. In the manual they stated that the battery should work for roughly 3 years..
Personally I'm loving the super smooth sweep, if I'm correct it sweeps at 16 ticks per second.. The seiko spring drives are the only watches that are this smooth that I know about.. But they cost like a gen rolex.
So for a watch that mimics a seiko spring drive movement for under $500 (now they're even cheaper) Imo you're getting great value..
And as a bonus when people are flashing their swiss eta watches, your watch is twice as smooth
I've sent a few guys off wondering about how the hell my watch was so smooth
If it was possible to replace the 7750 chrono movement with a smooth sweeping movement from bulova (citizen made the mvt) with all the features working properly off course that would be awesome.. The reliability of a quartz in a chrono rep with smooth sweep, Hbb for example..
Personally I'm loving the super smooth sweep, if I'm correct it sweeps at 16 ticks per second.. The seiko spring drives are the only watches that are this smooth that I know about.. But they cost like a gen rolex.
So for a watch that mimics a seiko spring drive movement for under $500 (now they're even cheaper) Imo you're getting great value..
And as a bonus when people are flashing their swiss eta watches, your watch is twice as smooth
I've sent a few guys off wondering about how the hell my watch was so smooth
If it was possible to replace the 7750 chrono movement with a smooth sweeping movement from bulova (citizen made the mvt) with all the features working properly off course that would be awesome.. The reliability of a quartz in a chrono rep with smooth sweep, Hbb for example..
I love the ETA movements and the history behind them. And not here to debate movement because my nolage is not great like others here. The only thing that I really want to know is there such movement (quartz) out there that really has this sweeping second hand! MBK states this and I believe him. He is a great guy and had some communication with him what time I have been here! So there is a movement
Out there but what is called? I don't think it's your standard OS movements. But my
curiosity is about to kill me so I will probably purchase one soon! And do a full review on it and open it up and see what's in there! I'm done with 21j movements at the time and more on the side of high end reps now! But I keep running into ads
That state this sweeping second hand with quartz! And my curiosity!! Will kill me!
until I find this out! Or I will be stuck with a two hundred dollar piece of junk!
We will see my mates!
Out there but what is called? I don't think it's your standard OS movements. But my
curiosity is about to kill me so I will probably purchase one soon! And do a full review on it and open it up and see what's in there! I'm done with 21j movements at the time and more on the side of high end reps now! But I keep running into ads
That state this sweeping second hand with quartz! And my curiosity!! Will kill me!
until I find this out! Or I will be stuck with a two hundred dollar piece of junk!
We will see my mates!
Citizen/Miyota has few quartz movements with sweep second hand. I any rep using one of those, it would be nice to have. I once had a rep Tissot quartz that has sweep second hand. It is very nice watch. Too bad that I did not had it for long so I don't know how long the battery lasts.